the runner doesn't need the space gem, he stated that it transported him anywhere he was planing to go to instantaneously with out willing it. it didn't influence his speed at all.
and the golden cosmic glaze that is the runner's skin is on par if not stronger than the silver surfer's.
plus the runner has the ability to make a beings like him just by being in his presents, even a blood lusted opponent loses their rage steadily just by being near him.
so the runner is:
-as fast as the surfer (even in space)
-as durable
-more powerful (at the time they fought)
-totally immortal
-causes opponents to not want to fight him
All this is true except the totally imortal part. His durability is at least on par with Surfers for being able to travel just as fast thru deep space and thanks to the big bang energies of the Power Primordial.
The Runner is immortal he is 5 billions years old. Since curse by Death he can't die at all, The Runner is class 100 in strength, has energy projection that can blow up a planet, runs at warp-speed, indestructible, has great fighting ability. Both cases The Runner wins he will put Flash in a Coma.
1)well, he lacks a title of his own and his emotion powers kind of make him the worst choice for a main villain. plus he is a baby now remember
2)the runner was introduced as surfer's superior in his first showing.
plus galactus gave the surfer the silver cosmic glaze to withstand micro-meteors and other space hazards that ftl speeds create.
the writers gave the runner a golden one to symbolize his superior power (gold >silver get it). maybe galactus encountered the the runner before he created the surfer as the elders were battling him for millions if not billions of years.
3) he is immortal in the sense that his spirit is immortal, his body will age but over time he will notice the change and simply make himself look young again with his matter manipulation.
plus death barred the elders from her realm so he can't die, period.
he can only go to oblivion's realm, the realm of the nullified.
4)yup, the only one that power didn't fully work on was thanos because he lacks pleasure centers in his brain. his brother eros has a similar power and throughout their lives it has never worked on thanos.
thanos aged his body trillions of years in the span of a moment, but his spirit is still immortal. he can always matter manipulate his molecules to look whatever physical age he wants to be.
and the grandmaster cheated in a game with death so that she would bar the elders from her realm forever(it was his origional plan).
the runner was consumed by galactus in the elders effort to destroy him, the elders including the runner survived in the "stomach" of galactus until freed.
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I see what you're saying, friend. But he has very few feats that truly judge his powerlevels imo, and has only made like three apearences.
He was introduced as someone that made surfer not want to fight, and out speeded him.
I understand the gold>silver thing, and that may be true regarding currency, but that doesnt mean that gold from the metal men can beat surfer. It's an opinion. A good, plausible opinion. But an opinion nonetheless. I dont doubt that they look the same, but that doesnt mean that they are.
I see what your saying, but isnt nullification death?
Interesting. I see your points, and I do agree that the runner would win this by default, as the Flash has pleasure centers in his brain.
the elders tap into the remnants of the energies of the big bang(sort of like galactus does), they originally wanted to kill galactus because he was the only being older than them and they believed that with him gone they could use the infinity gems to destroy and rebirth the universe with all of them granted a larger portion of the energies making them all galactuses. (if galactus was left alive they thought he would get a further power boost)
so in essence each elder is a mini galactus. their power is not only cosmic but linked to eternity.
and concerning nullification-
nullification is worst than death as death(in comics) isn't really the end of a being entirely, as they can be revived by magic, power cosmic, etc.
thor has journeyed to hela's realm to retrieve a soul and he was successful, all he had to do was go to hel, walk past garm the hell hound, journey across the bridge which takes 9 days no matter how fast or slow you travel, walk past the goddess of the gate, snatch the soul from hela, beat the goddess of the gate(she only prevents souls from leaving), go back across the bridge, beat garm(he too prevents souls from leaving) then get back to earth. see, dieing isn't that bad.
nullification is what happens when your atoms/soul is erased.
OMG Flash is hideously overrated, what on earth makes people push for Flash against someone who humbled The Surfer? someone who nearly did the same to Thanos?
and neither of the above feats actually utilise the Space Gem, iirc, since he is (like the rest of his race) a bit stupid and incapable of operating the Gem consciously.
Runner wins this in a pico second.
come on, give Flash opponents he has a chance against, say Thor or Sentry or something.
ageing and mortality are not necessarily mutual.
like Banner in one story, he could just suffer the indignity of remaining decrepit for the rest of eternity, as his body remains indestructible yet weak.
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