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Warning League of Champions Week Eight: id369/Kandy Vs. Leo/Scoob

Week 8: Washington D.C.
Duration: Wednesday, November 19th @ 10am thru Sunday, November 23nd @ 12am)

id369/Kandy Vs. Scoob/Leo

Judges: Illadelph, V, Badabing


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id369/Kandy's Opening Post (Part 1)

Week 8: Washington D.C.
Duration: Monday, November 10th @ 10am thru Friday, November 14th @ 12am)
Bdub/Smurph vs. Digi
Kandi/id369 Vs. Scoob/Leo

Team: Come Get Your Rape.

3rd Age Spawn (30)
OMAC (30)
Classic Cable (25)
Sage (20)
Cogliostro (15)

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Prep Area: The Black Tower.

I am uncertain if I will make it to the play off‘s. So for this uncertainty I will play my strongest hand. Win or Lose, I go out with a bang. Members, Competitors, and Judges. I will do the following during my prep.

  • Re-Crown Spawn, to become the King of Hell (aka 2nd age)
  • Cure Cable of the T.O.
  • Power up, Cogliostro.
  • Fuse Cogliostro and Cable.
  • Fuse OMAC and Sage.
  • More Empowering.

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We will Crown Spawn as King of Hell (1 minute)

Reason: Last seen, and up to this date. Coglisatro obtained the crown of Hell, thus securing the Throne; its located in Cog last known base “The Black Tower”. Well I will now Cog re-crown Spawn, so he can once again become the King of Hell. Oh and just as easily as Spawn created the Crown, the Crown will be uncreated so the power can once again be internalized. No more plot device, in which he discards the Crown for some one else to claim it.


The Proof.
Cog attaining the Crown.
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?...awn12024ak4.jpg
http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?...awn12025nw7.jpg



Spawn Creating the Crown, when he was the King of Hell.
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?...awn12015io7.jpg

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Cure Classic Cable of the T.O. (instant, a few seconds worth).

Reason: As King of Hell, Spawn power is absolute in his realm. We have seen, two feats of his. Matter manipulation, and healing magic. Well with the power to do what every he wants, I am sure it raises its healing magic + matter manipulation abilities considerably. Spawn will now purge Cable of the T.O. virus, and turn his techno organic parts into flesh.


The Proof

Healing Magic.
Spawns ability to heal is enough to heal broken limbs, a tumor the size of a orange in the brain, and cancer.
http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?...0page03xf0.jpgl
http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?...50page11pf2.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?...healing2wt7.jpg

All of the above with just his magic touch.
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?...50page21we0.jpg

You are out of bounds, this is still my realm. My power here is absolute.
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?...awn10004mb0.jpg

Pulsing arteries, that flow limitless power…every dark corner…every accursed inch of this realm…is his to command.
http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn119zg9.jpg

The writers speak, on how Spawn (Ipsissmus) has gained God Like Magical powers, after beheading Malebolgia and becoming the Ruler of Hell.
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23wn9.jpg
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Powering up Cogliostro (instant, a few seconds worth).

There are two forms of doing this.


  1. The easy way, King Spawn can grant him a symbiote, and remove his limiters accessing limitless energy reserves.

  2. Or Cog can just beat the system. You see Symbiotes are actually located in the Black Tower, and using his power will only send him back to hell only to be recharged. Well he is in hell, his powers are automatically restored, and he simply merges himself with a new symbiote. Nice way to upgrade a 15 pointer to 30, if you know what you are doing.

Well I chose the easy way, plan 1. Plan 2. Simply servers a contingency.

Proof
The scan shows how Malebolgia, purposely had Hell Spawn’s power limited. With Spawn in command, the limiters are no longer enforced.
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?...pawn2612ex5.jpg


Scan states how, Cog planned a Coup D'etat. And with the powers of the Crown. He turned Spawn into human. The significance is turning Necroplasmic Corpse, into Flesh, and removing the Hells Uniform the Symiote. I am effectively doing the opposite, granting Cog full blown hell powers, and a Symbiote.
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn02wd2.jpg
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Fuse Coliostro and Cable (C-Cable) - 2 minutes
Fuse OMAC and Sage (S-OMAC) - 2 minutes
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Some more stuff - 1 minute
King Spawn, can grant S-OMAC and/or C-Cable more hell powers, magical abilities, superhuman stats, regen, etc..just pimp them out a snap of his fingers really.
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id369/Kandy's Opening Post (Part 2)

Strategy

We will employ our defenses, to the best of our knowledge. TP shields, Shields, Intangibility, TP link, Empathetic link, etc… And its also your basic search and destroy tactics, using our best means.


Now I want members, competitors and most importantly Judges to understand why Leo/Scoob team is F*cked.

  • Transcendent Class/Skyfather level character (King Spawn).
  • Magical/Psi in the Herald Class (God Like Cable + Cog w/full blown hell powers).
  • Technological/Magical character in the Herald Class (OMAC + Sage w/ full blown hell powers).



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King Spawn
Seriously unless they have a character in the Transcendent class or higher, I am going to have a hard time accepting the fact that Spawn will not utterly destroy them in the first nano second of this match. We are talking about a character that could not be put down, by all of Hell’s army combined.

Oh btw. Before Scoob/Leo or anyone else starts to call foul play. I wrote this prep, and drafted said character, after Delph approved of them. So yeah its legal.
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C-Cable
Certified Herald Class. God Like Cable, or to be exact; Cable not hindered by the T.O. Virus. Is welcomed in the Mid Herald Class by majority vote (I had no say in this). However, fusing him with another fellow Hell Spawn with full blown hell powers. Well let me put it this way, Hell Spawns are proven to handle limitless amount of power. Enough to build up power, to handle a Lord of Hell on its own. Now add on the fact that they have, one the best regen/healing in comic history. It practically ensures Cable will not burn himself out anytime soon.

Proof
Spawn can build up his strength to eventually confront a Lord Of Hell no holds bars. Handling Cables Psi powers out put shall not be a problem.
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?...pawn7719en2.jpg

Spawn’s Regen/Quick Healing
http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regenid7.jpg
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S-OMAC
The Fusion of Sage and OMAC. Why would I merge Sage to OMAC you say? Because previously both Sage and OMAC had downloaded Brother Eye into their memory banks. With Sage’s perfect memory, and total recall. We can boot up Brother Eye, so we can maximize OMAC abilities with a dedicated Brother Eye to cater our needs. Now add on the fact that Sage, counts on full blown hell powers to keep her in the game. Yeah we will reconfigure OMAC to the best stats known, placing us in the Herald Class.



Thanks to the full free will enabled, we will manually upload the following configuration, to enter the battlefield with maximum out put the OMAC have bin seen employing. Thankfully each of us have an auxiliary A.I. known as Brother Eye to find a way to reconfigure, adapt and counter strike as the match proceeds.

The following are OMAC power sets, and resources are what we have at hand coming into the battlefield.

  • Strength enough to knock out Eradicator [Click Me] .

  • Speed enough to out maneuver and tag Superman [Click Me] .

  • Durability to take hits from both Donna Troy & Marry Marvel [Click Me]

  • Reaction time to handle Dona, Mary, Kyle, Harley (empowered by Gods), and Diana (empowered by Gods) [Click Me] .

  • Let alone the fact we are actively using our personal force fields [Click Me] .


We also each have our own dedicated Brother Eye, to assist us in maximizing our OMAC capacity. Now remember earlier that we already know the basic back ground, of our opponent? This double dips for us, this means we don’t ever enter the battlefield with out some form of counter measure at hand. And this is all the information, we need to come up with counter measures. Its all basic info, this is the reason why I think the OMAC can be utterly abused in this tournament.



Proof Of Sage Total Recall + Perfect Memory.
Perfect Memory
http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ctmemoryvg5.jpg

Total Recall
http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?...talrecalqm7.jpg

Total Recall & Perfect Memory
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?...gesmind4il8.jpg


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Leo/Scoob's Opening Post

Battlefield - Washington DC

Prep Zone - Stark Towers.


Team - Too Many Guys!!!

Iron Man
Kane
Techno
Magik
Peacemaker
Alfred
Cho
Maya

Prep:

FYI, the Techno Robot is the mind of Fixer up until the point where he was killed by the Elements of Doom housed in a mechanical body, so all feats of Fixer's will be as valid as the Techno robot's feats.

Techno connects himself to the brains of his entire team in the same way fixer was mentally attached to his tech pack, the difference being that Techno's robotic body is far more advanced than the comparatively simple pack with far greater speed and storage facilities.

What this means is that we can upload the memories of everyone on the team directly into Techno's supercomputer body. As this upload is taking place, priority will initially be placed on certain aspects, such as Stark's tech creations/discoveries, this will allow Techno to further upgrade himself on the fly and equate to even faster upload/download speeds.

On top of this Techno will simultaneously be linking himself to Kane's technological parts and Iron Man's armour, copying schematics, scanning & recording data from all systems and using the additional computer power to expedite this whole process.

http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?...echmergejw6.jpg

This may sound like a lot to be doing with a single character, but as he is literally a super computer who is capable of incredible processing speeds and multitasking, this should only take moments.

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Fixer was able to upload his entire consciousness into a foreign computer with only a a few seconds notice (which is how Fixer became the Techno robot in the first place)

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With the experience of this along with immensely upgraded calculative abilities & interface technologies (which now also include the systems Stark uses to mentally control the Iron Man armour and Kane's cybernetic link to his mechanical prosthetics) everything we're claiming to do will be childsplay.

Within moments Techno will have backed up all information from every member of his team and stored it within his own mainframe.

All this information is now backed up in engram files in the same way Fixer backed his own memories up inside his old tech pack.

With this complete (taking maybe a minute) Techno now has all the knowledge and experiences of everyone on his team (without having to kill them ... unlike some people)

This knowledge, along with he ability to reform his body into new devices/weapons, means that he now has the ability to form any device ever created by Stark (size restrictions permitting) virtually instantly:

Early robot form Techno:
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Forms weapons in moments:
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Schematics = tech:
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"Ogre" Techno scans and shifts new weaponry:
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2. http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?...27resultrs0.jpg

Now you have to remember that Techno has now incorporated Stark's nano-tech and Kane's liquid metal tech into himself, which will make any transformation he makes from now on smoother and faster.

OK, so like we said, that's about one minute chewed up there.

Kane can "download" powers of characters whose power signatures are known to weapon X.

There's a list of the members of Weapon X here:
http://www.comicvine.com/weapon-x/65-5018/

Here he is using a couple of them in training:

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Techno has copied this ability directly from Kane and will also have full access to these abilities.

They both download superspeed (power signature of Aurora)

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We now amalgamate some folks together:

Techno + Magik + Cho

Iron Man + Weapon X

Peacemaker + Alfred + Maya

Tony is in his latest armour, which, when amalgamating with Kane, absorbs the ability of his liquid metal appendages and is able to reform at will.

Peacemaker & Co are given the next most recent armour along with a cybernetic link to control it, it's computers are then given the memories/knowledge that Techno absorbed from Tony, which means that there will be a copy of Tony Stark co-piloting the armour with a direct hook up to the minds of each member of this amalgam, which will grant "it" the full range of abilities displayed by Iron Man as well as the combat experience of Peacemaker + Alfred (go Alfred!!!)

Out Tech amalgam will absorb another suit of Iron Man armour (saves a few seconds over creating everything from scratch) and will have access to not only all the specs of everything Fixer or Stark ever worked with, but the memories of Peacemaker, which contain the specifications for the Blue Beetle's scarab and all the weapons goodies it has ever came up with:

http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=03hi2.jpg

BB's tech can also scan, detect and counter magical creatures/abilities.

With our tech genius combo, which features the minds of Stark, Fixer, Cho, Hansen and others, we'll easily read the computer code containing this info.

Here's a quick feat of Techno translating every language in the world instantly during a real-time broadcast.

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So "boom", we just got access to (around) low herald level tech through the brain of a 5 point character ... nice!

Using our vast resources we also build and improve upon any and all psi-blocking devices Tony Stark has ever had access to (which is a lot as he's been using them for years)

Recap:

Our main amalgam has superspeed, instant reforming abilities, access to the sweetness of Reach-tech (Blue Beetle armour specs) and specs of every device ever invented by Stark ... along with the ability to insta-scan and adapt weapons/powers to counter new targets.

It also features a magical soul sword and accompanying armour (that also shifts to meet it's hosts form) with the bonus feature of mutant teleportation.

The sword itself doesn't do much, unless you happen to use it on a magic or demonic powered opponent ... in that case it seriously f**ks them up (to the extent of completely removing their powers in many cases)

So this amalgam will be entering the battle with the very latest in defensive shields up, offensive weapons powered up and occult weaponry ready to be deployed.

Secondary amalgam also features form-shifting Iron man armour with the ability to download new powers and create new weapons at will.

Third amalgam is just another Iron Man really ... still powerful but not our main weapon.

So there you have it: 3 Iron Men for the price of one, one containing Tony Stark and 2 containing copies of his mind with the ability to make new stuff whenever they want or need.

We're psi-blocked, have nuke surviving shields and the right tool for any job whenever we want.


We stay behind a triple powered IM-at-his-best shield and scan for our opponents.

Game on!


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The Man of Tomorrow

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Diablo Corps

Rapestomp post numero 1 - A surge of Hell Powers.

Alright, I need to insert one more claim. It doesn’t take much time at all, so it takes place at the start of the match or during the match. It makes not difference really. But the pay off is immense.


Now originally I had plan to use this final ace in the whole, if I made it in the play off’s. However seeing as its my last match. I am going to make Scoob/Leo match just a notch harder.


Previously during prep, C-Cable and S-OMAC gained spawn symbiotes and full blown hell powers. And they gained the knowledge to use those powers effectively thanks to King Spawn. Well there is a way for them to bifold their power, intensely reaching the Elite herald/Transcendent class.

Did anyone notice, I also kept both an empathetic/telepathic link with my team? Good, I will not abuse this link. Through empathetic and telepathic means, I will induce C-Cable and S-OMAC into the darkness to fully embrace the suit in its totality. The Suit feeds of this desire, hatred, embracement to grow in power. To the point of challenging Lords of Hell.

Here is the proof.
Cogs knowledge:
It feeds off you, your evil. When it cant drain from you, the worms become catalyst. But your anger, evil, and sin come in many forms. Yet anger is the ultimate pipeline.
http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?...50page07xt6.jpg

Cog’s Theory:
Spawn you can accept your demonic nature, nurture it, allow it to grow in strength, and power….

Until such a time as you are strong and powerful enough to confront the Malebolgia and defeat him.

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?...pawn7719nb7.jpg



Nice theory, is their any proof of what I claim? In fact there is.
Wildcats/Spawn cross over (which is in continuity).
This mini series takes place before, Wild CATS #15 and shortly after Spawn #30. It does occur in continuity.

http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23wn9.jpg


Well the significance of this crossover, Spawn comes across a pendent that triggers his embracement of anger, hatred and evil. He embraces the Dark Side ala Darth Vadar so to speak. And goes of to challenge Malebolgia, and destroys him.
http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17bv8.jpg

But wait it gets better. What hope do others have, that this will work on C-Cable or S-OMAC? What proof do I have that, anger, rage, and sinfully induce will skyrocket her power instantly? Because it was the case with Morna the moment she bonded with the Symbiote.
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After her words, the vary foundation of limbo began to quake, and on Earth, every man, woman, and child felt the inexplicable chill in their heart.
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?...wn183011mz7.jpg

Mammon one of the Lords of Hell is binded and the Witch Speaks of what it means to fully unleash a Hell Spawn in such a manner.

Well you just pinned into a corner the only being that can destroy you. But whats worse…GodDAMN YOU!, is that this same Spawn has the ability to destroy all of us, everything in existence!

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?...14slimerwh4.jpg
Recap

  • Spawn has God Like Magical Powers.
  • C-Cable - Has his full Psi potential unleashed, and his Hell Spawn powers sky rocket to challenge a Lord of Hell.
  • S-OMAC - has its Full abilities online, thanks to Brother Eye being internally booted. And Hell Spawn powers sky rocket to challenge a Lord of Hell.


You see, now you are not fighting mere Herald Class characters. Leo/Scoob, you are now taking on characters that Challenge Malebolgia or Mammon in their realm. Do you even have a prayer of a chance?


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okey-dokey. before this goes any further, i need id to explain to me how exactly he drafted the king of hell (which cogliostro/cain--the earth's first murderer--apparently was once he attained the crown by betraying spawn--or he was at LEAST the absolute ruler of the 8th sphere) for 15pts.

now if cog was drafted from a time BEFORE he betrayed spawn, i still don't know his level, but he doesn't have the crown and all id's plans go to . . . hell. big grin

if you drafted the king of hell (cog/cain with crown) and absolute ruler of the 8th sphere . . . well, 15pts seems rather cheap. no expression


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The Man of Tomorrow

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Diablo Corps

There is no specification of when Cog was drafted. Cog is drafted, and its last known base is being used “The Black Tower“. In the Black Tower resides the Symbiotes, plus the Crown.


So there is nothing, you can do to prevent my team from Spawn’s coronation. Or just refer to the bottom, good luck to you. smile

Oh btw. Before Scoob/Leo or anyone else starts to call foul play. I wrote this prep, and drafted said character, after Delph approved of them. So yeah its legal.
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MWHAHAHAHA!

Gender: Male
Location: Planning to take over the WORLD!

i actually can't read any of those pm's but they don't matter in the least-- delph has ok'd things in the past and reversed decisions because, by his own admission, he doesn't know everything and trusts that all important info is being revealed to him.

and you never answered my question, btw. smile

i'll rephrase--you didn't draft a specific cog/cain. ergo, he is the current version.

so . . . did you or did you not draft the current king of hell?


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I drafted Cog, and I am making use of his last known base. Do you understand, that I am not limiting my character by when he did/didnt obtain said items. That is stupid and ridiculous.

Are you aware, that you drafted a character, who is the Queen of an entire realm hell for 20 points?


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Gender: Male
Location: Planning to take over the WORLD!

but on earth she is powerless. if she had her limbo powers on earth she would have cost a little bit more . . . roll eyes (sarcastic)

and you still never answered my question. i'll take that as a yes then, confirming the fact that you did indeed knowingly draft the current king of hell for 15pts. i'm curious--in those pm's i can't read, did you mention that little fact to delph? did you mention he has currently granted lordship of the 8th sphere to other greater demons?

it seems you want 2 things--you want cog while he was spawn's 'good conscience'--the one that had barely any hellspawn power and if he used it he would be returned to hell. THAT cog (you know, the non-ruler of hell . . .) probably IS only 15pts.

however, you want the one with the crown. to achieve that, he needed to commit suicide and was revealed to be a hellspawn with all said powers. THAT version alone wouldn't be close to 15.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH VERSIONS OF COG??

trying to claim some ridiculous "non-specific-version-so-i-can-do-all-things-with-the-character-and-get-him-for-cheap", is both illegal, laughable and utte-y disingenuous.

'll give you a final opportunity to answer my question:

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT DRAFT THE CURRENT KING OF HELL FOR 15PTS?


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Stop with the patronizing comments.
I drafted Cog for 15 points. The Crown is in his base. By the looks of it, this is all you can hope for, is a technicality to rule out misuse of a character.
quote:

id369 wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 05:01 PM:
Ok thanks. Members are squabbling over X-Man. I am not interested, in what my competitors have to say in regards to X-Man placement. Its funny since they go as far as to make hypocritical comments, and retracting statements from their previous matches. Its great but its clear that everyone is looking out for their own. I hope Exodus comes in and gives me his opinion,

Its great for me, since it completely took their notice off Coglistro being drafted.


Spawn #120. Cog attains the Crown of Hell.
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Spawn #140. Cog has given control of hell, to other major Demons. However the he still in possession of the throne.
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Spawn #141. An affirmation of the base in current time. The Tower in where Cog resides.
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We will re-crown Spawn. And make no mistake about it, the King has returned.
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Authors notes, on what its like for someone to attain Malebolgias power. Ippssimus is our Spawn in an alternate future, that takes place in continuity (or at least that’s how the author stats it). And he states, that harnessing Malebolgias power (aka the Crown of Hell), he has attained God Like magic powers.



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I am not physically brining the crown into the ring. If you look closely that is a physical manifestation of the Hell’s crown that Spawn created in his day as a King. When re renounced the crown, he left it and Cog picked it up.

My goal is simple, I am to make use of the Cog’s last prep base. Cog’s tower, where the Crown is located, and re-crown Spawn as the King. As easily as the crown was manifested, it will be un-manifested so this power can be internalized the way it has bin shown to be used.

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id369 wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 04:02 PM:
I am conflicted in miracle machine and casket of winters ruling/acceptance. One was accepted, the other one was ruled out.

The only difference I find in both situations, was that one tried to introduce an item into the battlefield above the limit caps. And the other made use of the item during prep to empower himself.

Similarly I have a character, who can accesses a vary powerful item. However, I plan to absorb its power during prep, not bring into battlefield. Would I be violating the rules?


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so you DID draft the current king of hell for 15pts. sweet. all i wanted to know. wink


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btw, in order to have been able to CLAIM that base, did he or did he not have to reassume his hellspawn powers? you're attempting to grant a version of cog (basically a powerless version) a base he could ONLY HAVE CLAIMED AFTER ASSUMING HIS HELLSPAWN POWERS AND GAINING LORDSHIP OF HELL.

ridiculous and completely disingenuous. and that is NOT patronizing. that is me calling you an outright cheater. smile


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Originally posted by id369
I drafted Cog for 15 points. The Crown is in his base.


Seems a lot like the the issue we had in a previous match about Drafting Lex Luthor for 10 points then bringing in his Iron Man level armour.


Or the issue Smurph had with Boy Blue and the sword/cloak thingies.


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Commissioner's Note:

I've been discussing the matter with Leo via PM, and here's the decision I've come to:

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illadelph12 wrote on Nov 20th, 2008 10:59 AM:
Hmm...

If that's the case, I'd have to agree with you [referencing Leo's PM].

If the Current Cogliostro has full Hellspawn powers he'd be a 30 point character. I was led to believe that the original depowered/mentor of Spawn version of Cogliostro was the character which was being drafted, and that's what id stated, but if that is the case, he can't use current Cogliostro if the current version is re-empowered [no longer in his 15 point state], which it appears is the case according to the suicide/becoming a hellspawn again scenario to assume the Throne (assuming that's how it occurred).

My ruling would be that id/Kandy get "Cogliostro", but, since they didn't state a era specific version, by rule, they would get the assumed current/most recently depicted version. If it's shown that the current version of Cog has regained his hellspawn powers and is no longer in his depowered state then his point allotment would be re-adjusted to match that of Spawn (30), and it would result in a Salary Cap violation since they'd be over by 15 I believe (though I actually think Id left himself 15 points of cap room, so it might wind up being beside the point).


I checked and id left himself 5 points under the salary cap, so if Cog does in fact have his hellspawn powers back they'd be over the salary cap by 10 points (total of 135). I'm going to need some evidence though.


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he drafted the reigning king of hell who is using the armies of hell to build some tower to maybe attack heaven. current cog STILL sits on the throne of hell. i'm thinking HE'S the one who needs to prove that the near-powerless version of cogliostro THAT HE DRAFTED has access to this tower and would ever have been able to access this crown in the first place. if he can't prove it, this match should be over.


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Heh…I enter the tournament for these moments.

I want to see the evidence that Cog will regain his Hell Powers after his suicide. Oh wait I already know the answer.

Cog has no Hell Spawn powers, he removed them long ago.
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In Hell he has no Spawn Powers.
He cant even, summon the strength to liberate Spawn in Hell.
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Nor does he have the power, contest Violator in Hell.
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i'm not actually debating this thread digi. smile anyway, here's current cogliostro/cain/merlin and all the other names he's come across. CURRENT version (you know the one he took for 15pts) is of course the reigning king of hell. here he demonstrates his power by effortlessly stripping spawn of his symbiote and power and returning him to earth.

i suppose batman could do the same thing . . .?

http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cogsf5.jpg

so, now i'm done with this idiocy. judges feel free to cast your votes but i'll not debate this blatant nonsense. the guy rules the armies of hell. can strip spawn in a heartbeat of his powers. and he cost 15pts.

yeah . . .


disqualify him or vote. either way, doesn't matter to me. wink


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Originally posted by id369
Seriously what’s up with the double standards?

The Current Cog is completely powerless with out the Crown. I would need to bring the crown with me, to do anything. However that is a violation, by introducing an item/tech above the status quo.

After all, Leo\Scoobs have Magik I for 20 pts and she's also a ruler\Sorceress Supreme of a dimension of Hell, the difference is that she can demonstrate a few powers outside of Limbo, while Cog has none.

Hence the double standards.


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Originally posted by DigiMark007
You enter for controversial draft picks that impede actual debate? I don't have an opinion on the issue itself, but it seems like this kind of attitude is antithetical to actual progress.

In terms of rulings, this paragraph:
Last seen, and up to this date. Coglisatro obtained the crown of Hell, thus securing the Throne; its located in Cog last known base “The Black Tower”. Well I will now Cog re-crown Spawn, so he can once again become the King of Hell. Oh and just as easily as Spawn created the Crown, the Crown will be uncreated so the power can once again be internalized. No more plot device, in which he discards the Crown for some one else to claim it.
...does seem to be almost identical to the Lex Luthor Suit incident that was banned. If it's different, so be it. But I'm striving for continuity between rulings, so that no one is getting a break that another did not.

Actually the part, where members make quick wiki/google research and try to fend on a claim based on that. It gets torn apart, by on panel comic fact.
Anyhow Isn’t this topic off limits even for you? Would you mind respecting, my match? Thank You. ^__^.



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Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not actually debating this thread digi. smile anyway, here's current cogliostro/cain/merlin and all the other names he's come across. CURRENT version (you know the one he took for 15pts) is of course the reigning king of hell. here he demonstrates his power by effortlessly stripping spawn of his symbiote and power and returning him to earth.

i suppose batman could do the same thing . . .?

http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cogsf5.jpg

so, now i'm done with this idiocy. judges feel free to cast your votes but i'll not debate this blatant nonsense. the guy rules the armies of hell. can strip spawn in a heartbeat of his powers. and he cost 15pts.

yeah . . .


disqualify him or vote. either way, doesn't matter to me. wink


This is the last you could hope for. Anyhow, you bitched its expected. You cried, pft you still are. Now comes acceptance. Because the current Cog has no full blown hell powers, as it clearly demonstrated in the comic book itself. If so, I would not need to accesses the Black Tower to accesses the Crown.

On the scale of 1-10; 10 being the highest. How pissed are you going to be one you find out you lost this match? 12..13?


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