I've gotta go with Spidey, he has a huge strength advantage and should still have a reflex advantage even without his spidey senses tingling. Spidey probably has more experience fighting super agile oppenents as well since Marvel has "cloned" him in the form of Carnage, Venom, etc. I'm not counting training with Beast in the danger room as fighting experience, sorry Kurt.
I think the no teleporting rule really gimps Nightcrawler. It turns him into a wimpier version of Beast.
I'd like this fight if Spidey had everything but spider sense and Kurt had to limit his poofing an opponent away to only a couple hundred yards and not a couple miles. This would limit Kurt from poofing Spidey straight up in the air a couple times until it's a battle field removal. Spidey can web parachute down but it would take some time. There's still that pesky strength advantage though.
Spidey would still hear that "bamf" sound and could probably react just enough to somewhat defend himself. I'd think a porting Kurt and no Spidey Sense fight would be cool to watch personally.
Nope, Spidey was actively attack Kurt, who wasn't really into the fight. And even if he could hear the BAMF, Kurt could still speedblitz him, since he's been hit by people far slower than Kurt.
Higher durability and strength
agility I give to Kurt
but hand to hand... Yah....
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Peak humans have tagged Flash before, and by that logic peak humans can tag Superman on a vs forum. Also when they fought Spider-man was holding back as he always does. Kurt can't speedblitz him, Parker I believe is faster and as agile. If NC was allowed to teleport he'd take a majority, athough Spider-man would've won SOME if he had his ss. But if no ss and no teleportation Parker takes a solid majority.
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Yep, and in a classic Spider-Man book to boot. Peter was very surprised of Nightcralwer's speed and strength. I can see this going either way. Kurt has some good training under his belt.
Did you bother to read the op?
No teleporting or spideysense or webbing...
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"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Each is about equal for speed/agility (a portion of Pete's "speed/reflex" is due to his spidersense; without it, he still has superhuman reflexes, but not to a degree much greater than Kurt's).
Each is a good fighter, within the context of their own styles/experience.
Spidey has a slight advantage in terms of relative endurance (seems that he can take more of a beating that Nightcrawler)
Kurt's tail gives a slight advantage for grappling/altering direction in close quarters.
A general draw. If Kurt can make use of environment/terrain, then he can win. If Pete goes all out and wails on him, then he can win.
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spiderman vs nightcrawler
Dec 4th, 2009 06:08 AM
