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Originally posted by KingD19
Several incarnations of Snake-Eyes are easily superhuman...And Solid Snake is just awesome, T2 wins.

True dat.

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Originally posted by Hellboy288
Actually it does, if Gray Fox's strength was really sufficient enough to hold up Rex's leg then he would of knocked Snake's head off. Snake doesn't have durability any greater then human level, even a Genome was able to knock him out. I can call it PIS because it contradicts his earlier showing of Snake fighting him. It doesn't matter if it's his only lifting feat either, his earlier showings show that he's no where near that strength range. People keep saying that Gray Fox was holding back but have no proof of this. Until there is proof that Gray Fox was intentionally letting Snake beat on him then I call PIS on the Rex leg feat.

There is a regular and a TS version of Snake. Twin Snake isn't canon. It doesn't fit into MGS Continuity. If Twin Snake was canon then Vamp wouldn't have been able to WTF Pwn Snake in MGS2 and needed Raiden to save him. You might argue that it's because MGS2 came out in 01 while TS came out in 04 but it doesn't change the fact that TS does not fit into continuity therefore it isn't canon

Furthermore Snake even states in MGS4 that he put a ban on CQC yet you clearly see him using it in Twin Snakes.

Liquid and Snake never punched each other so hard that they shook Metal Gear Rex, that was the camera jerking around.

Actually the hand cuffs thing is a fantastic way to judge physical strength, it's the only real meassure of Snake's physical strength that's ever been shown in the series.

CQC isn't deadlier then any martial arts. It's a glorified version of the Marine Line system.
Motosada Mori, the military advisor for MGS learned the techniques while he was SWAT officer. So actually CQC is a grade below the LINE system.

Also do you know why regular martial arts, Taekwondo, Hopkido, Akido etc take longer to develop? Because they require greater motor functions to master these forms but they ultimately produce a more well rounded and effective fighter.

So really, CQC is nothing special.

That's why Snake is unable to contend with Matt or Elektra, he's not skilled enough, he isn't physical capable of contending with them.

You can even watch the Twin Snakes fight between Snake and Gray Fox, it's too slow and realistic to fight comic characters.

Sorry to keep embarrassing you but you're asking for it.

Fox never punched Snake in the face so no way to take his head off. There are more than enough examples in the game to tell Snake is no mere human with insane damage soak and durability. Him not getting killed by Fox's attack is a retarded argument. Same way Cap doesnt get killed by an attack from Iron Man. There would have to BE an established strength level for you to argue that some particular showing is PIS. But there isnt. So you can only speculate and nobody really cares about your specuations. And im sure as hell not going to disregard the feat if even writers of the game believe he should be that strong just because some kid on a forum disagrees with them.

How does it not fit into continuity? Because Vamp managed to catch Snake off-guard? Seriously? That's your reason? What the f**k?

Twin Snakes follow the events of the original MGS version, it feats into continuity perfectly. Its not about the year it came out. They basically retold the exact same story but this time without having to restrict themselvs with PSX's oldfashioned graphycs. Its canon.

CQC is close quarters combat. In twin snakes Snake fights using his fists, kicks and occasionally knees. That doesnt controdict the plot. So fail again. Heck Metal Gear Solid for PSX was not the first game in the series, MG was created long before that and its story is also canon to the series, Snake fighting Big Boss etc was written in 1980s. But if they were to release the exact same 1987 story but for the modern consoles which one would you count as canon? The new game or the 1987 one? Same with Twin Snakes. Same game, same continuity. But better graphycs and special effects.

They did. It wasnt just camera. There was a sound effect of MG shaking and dust from it shaken. They shook the tank. So third fail in one post.

I can post a scan of Deadpool struggling with an ordinary rope and I can post a scan of him ripping metal shackles apart. That's just how it works. Again, we dont know what the cuffs were made of. And its not his only strength showing. Deciding the outcome of the entire battle based on one cuffs instance is plain dumb, especially when he has actual combat feats that matter more here and are pretty damn impressive.

Newsflash, real life =/= video games. roll eyes (sarcastic)

In Metal Gear CQC is a whole different story. If you've played Snake Eater you should remember the crazy stuff Boss did with it. Volgin (the guy who can punch through a tank) was scared sh!tless of her because of her training.

I dont see how he's not physically capable when he does things they're yet to accomplish. As for skills.. he's as good as they get in terms of skills. Iron Fist said that Matt fights using kickboxing most of the time anyway.

As for the fights, they do look realistic. That's just how fights go in videos. For the sake of making it more interesting it has to look somewhat realistic. Comicbook characters would've been moving this way as well, look at any tv series or CGI movies. That doesnt change the fact that Snake and Fox were shown dodging bullets and at pointblank range. Not every comicbook character can do that.

And lastly, congratulations on your chicken attempt to "win" the debate by making the last post in a closed thread and sending an insulting PM after restricting access to your prophile. If you're willing to chicken out so fast dont start the debate. Sorry had to embarrass you even further.