Depowered version of Tyrant actually struggled about as much with putting down Gladiator as Validus did with PC Superboy and Mon-El.
I'm not sure if he can put Tyrant down, but he should certainly be capable of holding his own, equaling or bettering Thanos's performance, and letting the other four try attacking his blindside...
Plus, Morg did make him cry out in pain, and Persuader and Mano have superior weapons..
Validus was a beast. Plus he just looked digusting to me. He can punk SBP with but a gesture. When you add the others, they are really tough. Sarya could make things tough for Tyrant also. I'm unsure of how he could deal with really strong magic.
Something keeps telling me to go with Tyrant, but I'll go with a stalemate???? -_-
Tyrant pulls out some hard fought victories for a majority. He's on another level compared to all in this thread and that would be the difference. We've seen him deal with a team of HH with ease. We've seen him scare off and get the better of Thanos. Lastly, we've seen him punk a well fed Galactus who need help to take him down. All that tells me he beats this team.
Yeah, Validus was ridiculous. Everyone knows about hitting Superboy out of a solar system, but I think it was even more impressive when Validus was smothering one of the heavy hitters, while believing he's just playing like a child plays..
Mon-El also nearly knocked himself out just charging into him.
I gave the FF the victories over Thanos.. However, that was based on Validus doing most of the work… Question though on Validus… is he able to Teleport or travel at LS? If not, what is stopping either Thanos or Tyrant from easily bfring him? Anyways, back on topic… It would take all 5 to beat Thanos.. it took only one person named Tyrant to get the better of him. I look at it this way… Thanos doesn't back down very often at all and frequently goes looking for fights with people above him or teams of HH. He didn't back down from Odin or think he should leave for fear of dying… Yet, he knew if he stayed Tyrant would kill him.. just like he knew Galactus or Omega would've killed him. Judging by solely Thanos I think it's safe to say he felt like Tyrant was above Odin in power. That and Tyrant's showings are a decent benchmark for how powerful he is. Now answer this… Would you give this team the victory over Odin? I wouldn't. Thus, I wouldn't give them the victories over Tyrant either.
The other members are almost equaly as dangerous as Validus. Emerald Empress's weapon cannot be destroyed and is very powerful, Tharok is a genius, right up there with B5, Mano destroys planets with a single touch, and Persuader can cut through ANYTHING.
I strongly disagree with this. None of the others have feats even remotely on Validus' level, who is arguably the most formidable brawler in comic history. In terms of raw power he is probably skyfather level. Mano's planet-destroying touch took all his power, which doesn't put him above BRB, who was literally nothing to tyrant. Tyrant would one-shot Mano with an optic blast. Really, the only way the FF can win is if they strategize well, let Validus lead the charge and hope they can catch Tyrant off balance. Even then, we don't know how versatile Tyrant's power is, or if his technokinesis would affect any of the FF -- if he has even half of surfer's versatility (which would only make sense), the team is totally screwed, since he could just BFR Validus and then one shot everyone else.
A PC Kryptonian would give Tyrant a hell of a fight as they would beat Thanos. They would beat the team Tyrant fought. Validus is beyond the PC Kryptionians by a fair amount. He's as powerful as Tyrant was shown or more so. Unless someone thinks Tyrant would take down PC Superman easily. Wouldn't happen.
Persuaders ax, cut thru Brainiac's Force Field. The same one that stood up to PC Kryptionian punches, Karate Kid's Kicks, Blast, Validus's lightning, etc. It would split Tyrant in half.
If by "axe" you mean "ultimate nullifier", sure. Yeah, Morg's axe isn't as powerful as Persuaders, but I don't think we should sell either it or Terrax's weapons short; Terrax's we know can cut through heralds like a normal axe cuts through humans. Stormbreaker can smash planets. All those weapons meant jack against Tyrant. In fact, I should have been clearer before: Persuader, along with Validus, is the only reason this team can win, but if they just charge out of order Tyrant will chew them up. Their winning strategy is for Validus to go first, stall Tyrant (we must presume he doesn't BFR) while the others come from side, giving Persuader an opportunity for a critical strike w/ the axe, followed by more punishment from Validus. I still give Tyrant 7/10; 5-6/10 if FF gets a minute to hash out a plan of attack beforehand. Once again, it is hard to gauge without knowing more about Tyrant's versatility. If he can pull stuff out of his ass like Surfer can, just with more power behind it, then I would say he even gets 9/10.
This is pretty much spot on and exactly how I feel about this matchup. Imo Tyrant is above Odin in power... I would give Odin the majority over this team, thus so would Tyrant. Tyrant was one shotting Peak Heralds like they were nothing. Got the better of Thanos and made him flee for fear of dying which rarely ever happens, and give you an idea how strong he felt Tyrant was when he engaged him. Then punked a "I haven't felt this good in ages" Galactus, who needed help just to make it through. Grated we don't know how versatile Tyrant is, but it stands to reason he should be way more versatile than even Surfer. Afterall, he was made in Galactus image and thus has way way exponentially more power cosmic than any Herald. Even at a DP level it should still be a great deal more power and versatility going by logic. If that is true... he takes out this team even easier.
How the hell are you saying Tyrant is above Odin in power? Odin dealt with Surfer and other herald types far easier than Tyrant Did? Tyrant doesn't have Odin's feats. And Tyrant needs orbs to power himself. Odin is the power source. Not only that, PC Superman is more powerful than Thanos, and Tyrant had trouble putting down Thanos. Validus bitched PC Valor and Superboy at the same time. His lightning could vaporize PC Daxamites.
Ummmm I just explained myself pretty clearly didn't I? Odin didn't deal with the team Tyrant did first of all, and second he didn’t do so easier at all. Tyrant was one shotting them left and right and he faced much tough competition. Let me break it down since reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits…. Thanos fought Odin for panel after panel and never once backed down or thought he was in any danger of dying. In fact he decided to walk right through one of Odin's powerful attacks with his weapon he brought out to put Thanos down. Thanos decides to walk right through the most potent blast of the fight and didn't hesitate in doing so, nor fear dying nor thought he was defeated against Odin. Compare that with when Thanos fought Tyrant and you tell me who Thanos thought was superior in power? Which is why I said basing this solely on Thanos and his impression of power levels, he clearly thought Tyrant was more powerful. True or no? Hopefully simple logic and deduction doesn't allude you this much.
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