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Superman and Wonder Woman versus Silver Surfer and Stardust

Who will win?

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Surfer/Stardust. Not sure what spread I'd use -- really would have to think about it. SM and WW do get some wins, however; but the Heralds take the majority for this one.


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T2 10/10. they can't lose.
either one on T2 can take out Superman quickly, whilst WW is no match for (or threat to) either Surfer or Stardust.


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T2 10/10. they can't lose.
either one on T2 can take out Superman quickly, whilst WW is no match for (or threat to) either Surfer or Stardust.


That's... not the case. Superman does not go quickly, and WW is a threat to either.

I'd bet on T2 too, but you're significantly underestimating T1.

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when either of T2 can energy drain and/or emit red sun radiation/k-nite, what's Superman going to do? grit his teeth and punch really hard?

what can WW do? does she have anyway to cope with being trapped in Surfer's board?


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and tiara flings to decapitate Stardust, ftw yes


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when either of T2 can energy drain and/or emit red sun radiation/k-nite, what's Superman going to do? grit his teeth and punch really hard?

what can WW do? does she have anyway to cope with being trapped in Surfer's board?


Red sun doesn't work without cutting him off from the sun, and it needs to be a constant attack, not just one blast.

them making kryptonite isn't cut and dry, imo.

energy drain won't work without cutting him off from the sun. he has literal days worth of reserves.


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Team 2 9.9/10

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Red sun doesn't work without cutting him off from the sun, and it needs to be a constant attack, not just one blast.

them making kryptonite isn't cut and dry, imo.

energy drain won't work without cutting him off from the sun. he has literal days worth of reserves.

I'm not suggesting "one blast" attacks, I'm suggesting that either or both apply all techniques simultaneously and constantly for the duration, whilst they blast/pummel him to dust.

Surfer could also poison Superman's cells, prevent yellow-sun energies reaching Superman by creating a filter around the whole battlefield.

by any reasonable application of T2's powers and battle technique, I think Superman would be downed fast, it's only when popularity comes into it that "Superman finds a way".


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I'm not suggesting "one blast" attacks, I'm suggesting that either or both apply all techniques simultaneously and constantly for the duration, whilst they blast/pummel him to dust.

Surfer could also poison Superman's cells, prevent yellow-sun energies reaching Superman by creating a filter around the whole battlefield.

by any reasonable application of T2's powers and battle technique, I think Superman would be downed fast, it's only when popularity comes into it that "Superman finds a way".


And that's in character how?

see above.

so you're just going to lowball superman, then?


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And that's in character how?

see above.

so you're just going to lowball superman, then?

energy manipulation and weakness exploitation is often Surfer's plan A when he fights Herald levellers. he's done many creative variations from messing with lifeforce (Lunatik) to draining energies (Hulk), to absorbing and amping (blackbodies) ... there's more examples, but really it's a given "in character" thing for him to do.

I'm not low-balling Superman, I've not suggested anything that isn't a basic part of the character's standard characterisation. he's a phenomenally powerful character with a set of weaknesses that everyone from Lex to Batman has exploited and they have been exploitable.

it's only the high showings, the rarer instances, where he's powered through on will power/determination. here he's dealing with characters that can drink him dry and will, if they see it as necessary (and to Surfer, it's the least inconvenient method of dealing with Superman).


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Team 2 is just too versatile for T1. They have higher durability overall, has superior ranged attacks, can fly faster than T1 (therefore, guaranteeing range combat to ensue) and can weakness exploit. The only thing T1 has going for them is the lame lasso move. :-p

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Team 1 10/10.

Superman or WW solos via blitz.


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Team 1 10/10.

Superman or WW solos via blitz.

damn, I forgot about that!

yeah, T1 FTW, 10/10 yes


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Team 2 10/10 via their power-set.
Surfer, ON panel, have:
- Threatened Gladiator of using radiations against him
- Absorb solar energy from a girl that had power via solar absortion

Also, Surfer, now, since his upgrad, seems to beat the crap out of herald lvler, putting him probably at the top of the food chain, and Stardust, even if we don't count his power-set and his immortality, is able to go against Beta Ray Bill.


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Team 1 just because it has Superman.

But team 2 has 2 HIGH HERALDS

Team 2 should win most of them but only because WW is not a high herald.

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Team 1 just because it has Superman.

But team 2 has 2 HIGH HERALDS

Team 2 should win most of them but only because WW is not a high herald.


Sure she is. Not as high in it as Supes or Surfer, but in there.

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