This is not a gauntlet, but how they fair against each of the following challenges; CIS and PIS are off and these are fights to the death:
1) All of the Elders of the Universe including Ego...
2) Demogorge after having consummed Odin+Surter...
3) Dark Phoenix...
4) HOM Scarlet Witch...
5) Love and Hate...
6) Full Power Tyrant...
7) Superman with Cosmic Armor...
8) Onslaught with access to Franklin Richards full power...
9) The Vishanti...
10) BCA Galactus...
1) All of the Elders of the Universe including Ego...WIN!
2) Demogorge after having consummed Odin+Surter...WIN!
3) Dark Phoenix...WIN!
4) HOM Scarlet Witch...LOSE!
5) Love and Hate...WIN!
6) Full Power Tyrant...WIN!
7) Superman with Cosmic Armor...LOSE!
8) Onslaught with access to Franklin Richards full power...NOT SURE!
9) The Vishanti...NOT SURE!
10) BCA Galactus...NOT SURE!
Well I personally think they should be crushed by 3 and 6, but beat 4...so I was surprised you thought the opposite.
Curious...why do you think they beat 3 and 6, but not 4?
Going strictly by feats, they should be able to beat all 3 of them at once honestly, but if you factor in Kubiks famous statement, then they should be annihilated by 3 and 6 and beat 4...
But going by implied power; with it implied that Love+Hate can call upon the power of all Love and Hate in the universe to amp themselves and their attacks...then Love+Hate should crush these two as well.
That only applies in the "Kubik retcon" senario though (when he states he is several orders of magnitude beneath a lone Celestial); if going by feats (Kubiks universe warping feat to be exact), then the Cube Beings crush these two as well...
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I think they handedly beat Demogorge under these conditions...
Demogorge (at best...unamped of course) is probaly the greatest of the Elder God level beings and is thusly 1 tier beneath a Cube Being; Odin+Surter are Skyfathers and are two tiers beneath a Cube Being.
I personally think eatting Odin+Surter would get Demogorge into the "Cube" tier and would be capable of beating one or the other in a one on one fight, but two Cube Beings should be too much for Demogorge to handle...
Going by feats from what I understand DP wiped out a solar system...while impressive didn't Kubik once hold a universe in the palm of his hand or some such shenanigans?
Tyrant has been defeated by Galactus...and I believe 2 cube beings should be able to take him.
Dark Phoenix is the Phoenix Force. With CIS and PIS removed and in a fight to the death situation, she wouldnt have to worry about self imposed psychic circuit breakers holding back her power. Because why would she want to hold back her power within a fight to the death situation.
1) All of the Elders of the Universe including Ego... - WIN
2) Demogorge after having consummed Odin+Surter... - WIN
3) Dark Phoenix... - WIN
4) HOM Scarlet Witch... - LOSE
5) Love and Hate... - LOSE
6) Full Power Tyrant... - LOSE
7) Superman with Cosmic Armor... - LOSE
8) Onslaught with access to Franklin Richards full power... - LOSE
9) The Vishanti... - LOSE
10) BCA Galactus... - LOSE
I guess my confusion would then come from bothering to make the distinction that it is Dark Phoenix rather than just 'Phoenix Force with an avatar'? Could have been Dark Phoenix/White Crown Phoenix/Rachel Summers Phoenix/Malibu Phoenix/Prom-Night Phoenix or Evening Dinnerware Phoenix...they'd all have the same power.
Last edited by theICONiac on Oct 13th, 2010 at 07:49 PM
Factor in statements and they beat HoM Wanda without a doubt.
Shes overrated. The greatest feat she's actually responsible for is warping reality in 616 with the use of Professor Xaviers powers. It was the limit of her power and she said a number of times she couldnt control it, only to lose control at the climax of HOM 7.
The Chaos Wave was triggered by her, she wasnt directly responsible for it. It was an accident she knew nothing about.
Even if she had directly created and directed the Chaos Wave(which she didnt) it was also overrated.
The Chaos Wave never simultaneously collapsed realities and neither did it go around from reality to reality collapsing them of its own power.
It struck Otherworld, which thanks to the Phoenix is connected to all realities in existence and this collision had a knock on effect.
The wave was only a big deal because it was random and struck without warning. When confronted it was stopped in a few panels by Excalibur. Check out the Scarlet Witch vs DP thread on this forum for further details.
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