Not sure, thats why I made the thread. personly I think at would beat pretty much an melee oriented street leveler and even most low meta (unless they have vastly superior damage soak or physical abilities)
Daredevil would beat him. The whole point about Mister X's weaknesses is the fact that he can't beat people with superhuman speed or abilities without some form of PIS involved. He can read someone's mind which we don't know if it would work on Daredevil anyway.
I mean even Iron Fist beat Mister X(post Kun Lun training) but still it shows hes not capable of beating a top tier martial artist like DD.
Mister X held the upper hand against Wolverine, Daredevil can't win here, DD is not faster and the stats acros the board are pretty even between matt and X, save X's ability which should give him the win every time.
Keeping up with Wolverine is not even a good excuse to say Daredevil loses this fight. Matt beat Wolverine without even trying in Enemy of the State.
If you want to go by Secondary canon ie the MU handbook then you might as well give up debating and showing feats since something thats over 5 years old now must hold precedence over current revelations about both characters.
Wolverine doesn't have reflexes comparable to Daredevil and Mister X loses to people when they become unpredictable. Hes hardly considered a top tier martial artist if he essentially relies on his powers rather than his skill.
Wolverine was mind controlled in EotS, missing part of his soul, only fighting DD to draw Elektra into the open... and all Matt didn't beat him, all he managed to do was momentarily break the mind control.
Wolverine's reflexes are better than DD. We've even been given a number before, .038. His combat speed reflexes (going from neutral to an extended punch) is almost 8 times faster than a human's finger time reaction time.
I also love how hitting Mister X once and then attacking Osborn as somehow become "Iron Fist beat Mister X. He hit him once, and we saw him a few seconds latter standing beside Osborn... and he was fine.
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not to mention that entire incident ignored X abilities which were shown through out the arc and was the only issue written by reember who down played all of the thunderbolts abilities. Hell even the move IF used, should never had work, it was even stated IF trained against it and even displayed the ability to combat such tactics two year prior comic time to his fight with IF. It the definition of PIS, but as usual people try and pretend thats the norm
Show me where Mister X has exhibited beyond peak human anything because besides his powers allowing him to read his opponents hes not superhuman in any of his stats.
We already saw what happened to him when Iron Fist got unpredictable and showed how his peak human stats can't compare to that of someone who can actually do superhuman feats.
Overlooking who hes beaten and how his powers work we would know he relies less of his skills as a martial artist and more on his powers which is evidenced in all his fights.
No what IF did was uses drunken fist which mad ehim fight on pure instinct. However the author of that issue reember did not do his homework. That has not been a weakness of X for a long time.
Love how you uses the single issue which contradicts X entire history and pretend it the norm
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Does not matter what he relies on, DD has no way of blocking x powers, so your entire arguement is irrelevent.
DD wins this. He too can read fighters in a different way by there heart rate/muscles tensing/ radar movement. This would throw X off. IIRC IronFist messed up X by just using drunken style and Logan with just instinctive moves.
DD could do the same.
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X trained against that as shown and stated in his one shot.
IF thing was PIS, and contradicted his entire history, your better then that my friend.
Now I am assuming you simply have not read his history. The instinct tactic does not work, X trained his powers to combat such tactics, and showcased it against Deadpool.
also it was berserker wolverine, he would rape stomp DD.
But he would still be thrown off by DD own reading ability which would make it even. And DD is the better fighter. X can't counter DD exotic pressure point fighting and stealth disappearance in broad day light.
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