A thought occured to me yesterday; it is easy to populate the "Elder God" tier with characters and its easy to populate the "Abstract/High End Cosmic" tier with characters, but not so easy to do with the "Cube Being" tier...
It appears to me that not many characters fit into that mid point between Elder God and Abstract very well, but since it is clear that there is a mid between the above tiers, the Cube Being tier must be populated as well...
So here is the task for you all; pick atleast 2 characters for each of the 3 levels of power in the Cube Being tier (low, mid, high), but make sure that atleast one of them is not an actual Cube Being in each of the 3 levels...
I'll go 1st...
Cube Being
Low: The Maker (only if the Beyonders personality is in control), Molecule Man.
Mid: The Shaper of Worlds, Peak Ion.
High: Kubik, 2000ft Asgardian Destroyer.
Now I am certain that we will not all agree on who belongs in what tier...thus healthy debate on who goes where is encouraged.
Thanks for your time!
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Last edited by TheLordofMurder on Dec 26th, 2010 at 10:19 PM
Wouldn't the Asgardian Destroyer be more on the high end of the Elder God power level spectrum? I mean, it's all power while lacking high end reality warping abilities. Perhaps the Phoenix, at certain levels would be more on the level of a high end Cube being? Anyways these immensely powerful cosmic beings have always stomped me.
I've always read "Cube Tier Beings" as reality warpers.
Low : Any "half" cube beings. Like Post Retcon Beyonder before he merged with MM to become Kosmos/Maker/whatever he is now
Mid : Any full Cube Being - Kubik, Shaper of Worlds, Kosmos, etc...
High : Molecule Man Unleashed (don't ask)
Non Cube Beings like Chthon that have reality warping powers would be Low to Mid depending on how the writers were handling them. Eternity told Hank Pym he saved him from the threat of Chthon. So read into that what you will.
There are also Herald level reality warpers like Glorian.
Then you have omega level Gods like the Scarlet Witch or Mad Jim Jaspers. They have reality warping powers in excess of any Cosmic Cube but I guess they'd be God Tier and not Cube Tier.
Asgardian Destroyer as High Cube? I'd place him Mid at best. I can see Kubik or other Full Cube Beings owning it badly. But I could be wrong.
Other Mid to High nominations :
Aegis
Teneberous
Galactus
certain Watchers (see Ecce)
Basically any non "full" Abstraction would fall into mid to high.
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I'm fairly sure Molecule Man was manhandling Beyonder, who was at least = Kubik, and Kubik had to ask Owen to fix Kosmos/Beyonder rather than doing it himself...
You know the little page describing tiers by Thor that Galactus fans love to use? Well according to it, Odin = Galactus =/> Cube Beings like the Beyonder from what I remember.
Course, it's about as cannon as a handbook but whatever.
Its possible you are right, but both Odin and the Destroyer Armor possess the ability to manipulate matter and energy and this 2000ft version should be able to do so to a point thats far greater than what Odin or the AD cold do solo...
I believe at some point extreme matter/energy manipulation is no different than reality warping; the 2000ft Destroy should be at this point...
In addition, the AD did tank multiple attacks from a Celestial host with the killshot requiring a concentrated attack from 8 of them; surely no Elder God level being would fair as well as the 2000ft Destroyer did against such odds...
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Last edited by TheLordofMurder on Dec 27th, 2010 at 08:34 PM
I cant see Peak Ion doing half as well against the 4th Celestial Host as the Destroyer did; I honestly think Ion would go down much faster to them than did the 2000ft Destroyer...
And yeah, the Maker, Shaper, and Kubik are all Cube Beings...the challenge of this thread was to pick atleast two characters per level of power (low, mid, and high) with one of your choices being something else other than an actual Cube Being.
Owen simply possesses a portion of the power of of CCU; he and the Maker/Beyonder are incomplete Cubes...
Kubik may have asked Owen to restore Kosmos/Beyonder, but going by feats, there is no doubt in my mind that Kubik could have done this as well...afterall, Kubik is a complete CCU.
With the exception of Aegis (you are referring to the Galactus level being...right?), all of those characters would be annilhilated by anything in the Cube Being tier IMHO...
So extreme reality warp is one of your prereqs for the Cube Being tier?
Let me think that over; that would make alot of sense seeing as these beings are just a notch below an Abstract/High End Cosmic and thus should be capable of almost anything...
Well, while I process that, I always thought of Galactus as an "Abstract/High End Cosmic" type (I look at those as one in the same as the High End Cosmic types are often presented as being in the same realm of power as the Abstracts are)...
Assumming that we accept Kubiks words as fact (even though it STINKS of hyperbole), Galactus should be much more powerful than Cube tier beings are; same applies for T&A, Full Power Tyrant, and Celestials...
I honestly look at Galactus and Celestials as "semi-abstract" as they are not what they appear; the Celestial Armor is simply a shell to house their energy forms and Galactus's appearance is dictated by whatever "you" are when you look at him (he typically appears as a member of your own race/species)...
Chthon, while possessing reality warp, doesnt possess it to the extent needed to get into the Cube Being tier (IMHO of course)...wasnt he fleeing for his life from Demogorge? I think any being in the Cube Being tier defeats peak Demogorge (I view him as the greatest of the Elder God level beings)...
But anyway...extreme reality warp as a prereq...interesting thought!
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Last edited by TheLordofMurder on Dec 27th, 2010 at 09:06 PM
I mean Odin does seem to be the equal to Galactus or a Cube Being. Cube Beings are inferior to Celestials. Celestials are inferior to Abstractions. The Abstractions are inferior to the LT.
The Odin/Galactus/Cube Being thing isn't to my liking but Odin's feats clearly place him in their league. You already know my opinion on this.
It should go Odin <<<<<<<<<Cube Being << Galactus
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