Todays Steve Rogers isnt the same man that Fisk fought decades ago, classic Kingpin is a beast, but he's not better than todays Steve Rogers, who is better faster harder stronger than he was 20 irl years ago.
Yeah but that Spiderman was younger and no where near his real class 10 of now a days of throwing cars like nothing. Those were more like Aunt May max moments from back then and lets face it. Young Spiderman would hold back severely against KP and was never in his aunt may modes against him.
I have an idea of what you're saying. In the first issue of Avengers Prime, he single handily clear an entire room full of dark elf warriors. He also recently beat down two or three men juiced up on the Super Solider Serum with the serum deactivated within himself. Pretty badass if you ask me.
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Fair enough, but in Spiderman's thought bubbles, during those fights, he was clearly of the view that KP was a real match for him-and Pete would've been at least 5-7 tons strength then.
Steve did good holding his own against Beast and Iceman at the same time before going down from a sneak attack. Fisk may not get the chance to use that strength, same as Beast.
But if Fisk did, it could be bad. But only if Steve doesn't have his shield. I understand where you're coming from.
I would say Steve's best chance is in round 2.
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Your right for the then part. As there later current bout retcons that he always held back due to fear.
5-7 would be a threat but nothing new that Cap hasn't faced. It was more the speed that surprised him initially. I don't think KP could pull it off again.
On a train Kingpin takes this in both. It comes down to the Captain America not being able to use his mobility and the fact that all KP has to do is walk down the aisle and Cap will be trapped.
15 year old pete can't fight, not even a lick, notice how Cap takes down people way above his weight class? Thats what Fisk did to pete. pete had all the tools, but not the experience or the ability, Fisk had the ability and the experience..Pete got ownd.
ALTHOUGH - i'll throw the "holding back" card out here rather than take at face value a scan of KP holding Pete immobilized, when in the previous page, we just saw pete throw a couple of cars
KP against Spidey was PIS. Kingpin doesn't have superhuman strength. He just has peak human strength.
Spidey at his highest showed class 100 strength. Spidey at his worst showed class 1 strength (struggling to lift a decent sized car). Thus King Pin matching Spidey means PIS (on Spidey's part).
At the time when young Spiderman fought Classic KP, Parker's power level wasn't clearly defined-but he already had class 10 feats under his belt. Classic KP, at the time, was clearly Pete's equal.
I stand by my earlier post-Classic KP wins. Curent Fisk would get destroyed.
But CA is stronger, faster, and far more skilled than Classic Kingpin. Plus CA has a shield you know.
CA is pareto optimal over him. So how can he even win 1 fight against CA?