Yeah, but in this topic there is no PIS, which may have been present in the other debates (not that I agree he would lose in a battle with PIS on). MM's versatility will nullify whatever physical advantages Supes has over him and then some.
I do agree MM is under-rated though. If he used all his powers proficiently as a genius and a veteran like himself would, he is in my opinion, one of the strongest in his tier.
^Basically but I'll assume you mean an all out on either. Well for New Earth I'd say Manhunter but PC I'd go with supes if you include his more obscure powers and things like superconcentration and that kryptonian meditation that blocks TP. Heatvision is a big factor as well. If Supes blast Manhunter with a blast that could melt the surface of a planet from orbit Manhunter is screwed. (hyperbole for people who are going to be sticklers for accuracy but take it for the point that it's intended to make)
So actually New Earth Supes has a chance but I think it comes down to who fries who first Supes with heatvision or MM with TP.
PC I think Supes takes it.
Also is Superman allowed to go and get those choco cookies that MM loves so much if so it's instawin for Superman.
You forgot Intangibility.. TP and Phasing can easily be 2 HUGE deal breakers. Especially when we're talking about one of the most powerful telepaths in comics, who also has enough strength and speed to go toe to toe with Supes without TP or Phasing..
Jonn phased right through SBP's HV, so Superman's should'nt be any different really. But then again logic doesn't count for much in comics.
Nah he's not the Hulk. Although probably slower than Supes, he's too fast to get blitzed IMO.
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frankly, without tp, i'm not sure jonn can win. supes's durability is just too great and while i think the tp could mess clark up, i'm not a 100% it would be enough given clark's showings vs tp's. mm would certainly make a fight of it, but in the end i think supes would take it. it might go something similar to clark's battle against protex...
People forget, even IF Superman can resist Jonn putting him down with TP, he still can't touch Jonn. Jonn can still read his mind and be one step ahead of him every time, he won't get touched with his combination of mind-reading and intangibility.