Normal Danny wins easily. Neither of his opponents can take his hits for long, neither can defend against his aoe, and neither can lay a hand on him thanks to his bullet-catching reflexes. He doesn't even need his signature moves.
I don't remember red suit Danny, but I think he nearly beat Black Panther to death in spite of his vibranium suit without sustaining any real injury? If so, he wins too.
Cap solos. Iron Fist might be the most recent boner factor for the current batch of KMC trolls with mindset and bran competing tooth and nail for the coveted role of floor manager... but that doesn't change the fact that Iron Fist is a glass canon and Cap would shatter him.
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You mean the same Captain America that "dances through machine gun fire" himself? Just like virtually every other top tier street...
Maybe you should read some Captain America comics, or at the very least try and google his feats, because Steve is faster than Danny. No ifs ands or buts.
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Cap dodges his enemies' aim, like any top tier street. Danny sees the bullets coming and weaves through them, parries them with his hand, or catches them. Surely you can see the difference.
Of the two characters in this thread only one of them has ever been attributed with the ability to "see" bullets in slow motion, and it's not Iron Fist. It might be helpful for you to have some knowledge on the respective abilities and feats of both characters before you try and make the case that one is an aim dodger, while one is a legitimate bullet timer.
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One time someone shot a rocket at Cap. He saw the rocket coming, jumped off his motorcycle, climbed a tree, tossed his shield and koed the shooter, before the missile hit his motorcycle. He has outpaced bullets and ran around DD like a blur. It's awesome that one time Iron Fist managed to catch a bullet... but it doesn't stack up.
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No he isn't. A missile isn't as fast as a bullet in the beginning. Cap never outpaced bullets. The Red Skull scan was debunked a long time ago. Either the first three shots missed, writer's intention wasn't to literally show Cap can run faster than a bullet, or it was PIS (choose).
Catching a bullet is more relevant than anything here. Think about it.
A) don't really know how fast that rocket was, but we can assume one thing: it's a lot slower than a bullet.
B) What does "outpaced bullets" mean?
C) I would LOVE to see a scan of him running around DD like a blur, because he would pretty much have to be Quicksilver to pull that off as a clean feat.
Danny routinely reacts to bullets in-flight. He caught one from an automatic rifle while poisoned. He kicks around guys like Wolverine as if they were helpless toddlers when he's already tired. He KOed Sabertooth while blind. He defeats guys who hold their own against Spider-Man. He punches guys like Colossus through brick walls. He one-punched a helicarrier. He has area of effect chi attacks and ranged chi attacks. His standard iron fist tears up Black Panther's vibranium suit.
There's no shame in a street-leveler losing to a mid-tier monster like Danny.
Missiles can be A LOT faster than bullets, actually.
Infantry rockets can have muzzle velocities of 950 feet per second. Comparably as fast to the muzzle velocity of a glock pistol at 1200 feet per second.
Like CosmicComet the speed of a rocket can be significantly greater than a bullet, and even shoulder mounted rocket can be comparable to the speed of a bullet or greater in some cases depending on the gun and the caliber. Even if the rocket Cap dodged was 20 times slower than the bullet Danny caught (which it isn't, 10% slower maybe), his feat would still be significantly more impressive. Steve didn't move his arm twelve inches and close his hand, he carried out a series of complex actions. It's a much better speed feat.
Cap out pacing the bullets was never "debunked." You can theorize about the intentions of the writer all you'd like, and say "well... maybe Skull missed (because as we all know he is a terrible marksman and can't hit a civi with a clear shot... am I right) and then fired three more bullets and it's just a coincidence!!!" but what was shown on panel was Red Skull firing three bullets at his target, and then Captain America (who was shown near Skull when the shots were fired) crossing the room to intercept the bullets and shield the target. You can make up all the excuses you want, but that is what happen.
A and B were covered above, and I'm sure you can easily find the feat referenced in C if you look around a bit.
Every street level "routinely reacts to bullets in-flight." Danny "kicked around" Wolveirne 30 years ago before Wolverine had any sort of character development and lacked the powers and skills he has today. Modern Wolverine puts Danny in an arm bar and leaves him making excuses about how much effort he was putting in. Same can be said of Sabretooth, and the Colossus incident to a lesser extent. Virtually every character in Marvel has beaten a character who managed to hold their own with Spider-man, or has held their own against Spider-man them self. He also did virtually no structural damage to the frame of the Helicarrier, he didn't split in in half or anything, he merely manage to knocked out a gyroscope or an engine turbine.
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