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this is gonna get closed
cytorrak should stomp scenario 1 and 3, scenario 2...it would be nice to finally see Cytorrak free. i think he'd win scenario 2, but the opposition would have more of a chance
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cytorrak has very little feats. there have been times where Cytorrak couldn't stop his herald, where others he was snatching Galactus unexpectedly out of travel. until the comics portray him consistently, it's technically not fair to go off of hyperbole.
i can't wait until Cytorrak breaks into 616, i don't know what's gonna happen to put that set of events into progress but all hell is gonna break loose. watch
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i didn't lose anything from reading them.
it just made me more upset that Marvel hasn't portrayed Cytorrak to a consistent potential yet. I bet he's stronger than a looooot of characters, but it would never fly in this day and age on KMC
That guy has claimed repeatedly that Cyttorak(and he says this not only for Cyttorak , but for other characters like Dr Strange, as well) is above the LT in power(even outside of the Crimson Cosmos) .
That's what I meant , when I said that you would lose your love for Cyttorak , if you read his posts .
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"went in" as in, he dug deep to show the significance of the crimson cosmos as compared to someone like Galactus.
Although, even though LT invoked the crimson bands against strange, LT didn't need to....I don't think that at all. Cytorrak still does what is necessary, and it's necessary for him to be locked away because his power fuels all of what is drawn. from my perspective, that's just how things work
but Cytorrak is powerful, it can't be denied, we just haven't seen it yet. Both good and evil, positive and negative energy, at least from what is of creation, is all his power. he's a threat to all reality, and to a certain extent principalities can have a stronger effect than gods and demons. and Cytorrak is likely the strongest principality.
to be honest, I see why you said you'd like to see Cytorrak vs the Power Gem entity in another post. Either way, they're both weaker than LT IMO
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I'd be going out on a limb to say Cytorrak is to Marvel what the source is for DC. and as long as LT doesn't get involved, he probably would be the most powerful. that does not mean the most influential, however.
that's how I began to see it after a while. And it's plausible because Marvel has a proper cosmic hierarchy, so it would make sense for someone like Cytorrak to have been banished from reality. He's mad or upset because of this, so he left his gem in the world because he himself can't exist there. And that accounts for his heralds in each reality such as 616 and/or where ever a Juggernaut exists. there's only 1 cytorrak, but there's many...Odins right?
i can only wonder what Marvel has planned for Cytorrak. Maybe he's powerful, but outside of his realm or whatever he is susceptible to abstract forces such as the ones that celestials represent. til then, it's not really good to feed into it because unfortunately some folks around here are biased.
He left his gem on Earth , because he and the rest of the Octessence had a deal regarding the Exemplars(the avatars of these deities) .
He's an elder god type demon lord , that's it . He has no place in the Marvel Cosmic Hierarchy , and most of the claims of his power are based on (unquantifiable)hyperbole .
As far as being the most powerful.........where did you get that from ?
Onslaught tore out his gem from Marko .
As far as their being only one Cyttorak.........that's never been clarified in comics .
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then why do neither good or evil matter to him? why doesn't he care what occurs outside of the crimson cosmos?
maybe at one point he may have originated on earth, but since we haven't seen much of him I leave room for all of that to be clarified. LT sort of spoke on god-like beings "of Earth, but not of the Earth" and that applies to Cytorrak
anyone who isn't below celestial / hell lord IMO has a place in the cosmic hierarchy. it may not be of the most significance, but they're there. it's why no-name celestials are still strong but could get beat by characters that the story is about. celestials have their part, but not all of them are like...Tiamat or another well known.
There has to be a reason why Cytorrak is banished. Going by the implications that he has been a threat to all reality, along with what Juggy is capable of, then looking at lance_bastro's post along with what that one guy said about Cytorrak being around Shuma level? I consider Shuma to be a direct product of the abstract Chaos because Shuma itself is not Father Chaos, the abstract. Chaos exists in many realms where there is confusion, and Shuma rules over many....so where does that leave Cytorrak?
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and also...another point. technically, all of these extra-dimensional entities are demons. gods can degenerate into demons if they consume each other. and technically "gods" (odin, thor, zeus, poseidon, etc) aren't "gods" they're just deviant. Even in Marvel we've seen Utau say "there is only one creator, and his power is love" so while Norse and Olympian "gods" are being called "gods," they are in fact not the creator or TOAA. if cytorrak is a demon lord, then it sort of fits. if one doesn't have the power gem, who would they call on for the greatest source of power?
sort of like how people would argue about how in DC that Saint of Killers could kill God when not on the throne, well Cytorrak could get defeated while outside of the crimson cosmos. and he obviously was, since he was banished.
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