Hey guys, this isn't really a regular versus match. What I want to know is, how many planets do you think Galactus would have to consume in order to defeat the Arishem that fought the Destroyer armored Odin?
Thing is, that version of the Destroyer was unable to inflict any LASTING damage to even one of his Celestial opponents; whereas, Galactus, on the other hand, managed to take down one of the Mad Celestials. To suggest that the latter mentioned 'space gods' are inferior to their 616 counterparts simply because they are NEW "no name" characters from an alternate universe isn't the fairest or most logical of arguments.
Even though Hickman stated that the 4280 Celestials are on par with their 616 counterparts (in terms of sheer power), we don't know how they compare against each other individually. We do, however, know that Arishem is considered to be one of THE most powerful Celestials in the 616 universe. That said, I'm thinking 5 or 6 planets should suffice. This is just pure speculation on my part though.
But these were NAMED 616 Celestials and members of the Fourth Host. The alt reality Celestials are no names.
Also worth noting is that Arishem was called the Mightiest of the Celestials and that's who Galactus is facing off against in this thread. Not alt reality nobodies.
The fact is that the Destroyer went up against seven or eight of them vs Galactus going up against only four. If there were three or four more Celestials in that fight with Galactus, they'd coat the solar system with his entrails.
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Last edited by zopzop on Sep 30th, 2012 at 01:05 AM
Well, a normal fed Galactus is supposed to be around a celestials power level, last I recalled. But this is Arishem, I say 10 planets, maybe more. 4 Celestials fusing 1-shotted him, so I think 10 is the minimum.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Yes, in an act of desperation he ate his worldship. That wasn't his first plan. He was attempting to devour the planet the fight was taking place on but the heroes were causing him too much trouble so he abandoned that idea and went right for his worldship. I don't recall stating that made him more powerful than if he had just eaten the planet.
If anyone has scans saying that, I'd appreciate seeing them.
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..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
How many planets did he consume to fight those 4 Celestials, BTW?
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
So you do not believe that he would grow more powerful if he were to consume more? What of the tales of his potential of growing as powerful as Eternity, and what he would need to do in order to gain this stature?
To achieve full-power he has to be feeding for quite a long time, or he absorbs a power source that can allow him to achieve that. So far I don't think he has ever come close, he could eat a universe in an instant if he wanted to, though.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Nope. If that was how it worked, he'd have done it during the Infinity Sagas, Marvel : The End, or other universe shaking events. But he didn't did he? Four alt reality Celestials pale in comparison to Thanos with the IG or Magus with those 5 CCUs. Yet he never did that "consuming multiple worlds for exponential powerup" like he did vs the Rogues. Something is fishy no?
Hickman is a hack.
PS, where was it stated that he's potentially as powerful as Eternity? Also you know how I feel about implied power too, so.........
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..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
This is getting ridiculous . I mean you would have a point if his illustrative depiction varied throughout the issues he appeared , like one of the other Mad Celestials which got mis-drawn as Tiamut in FF#15 . The fact that 4280-Eson was depicted that way in EVERY single issue he appeared in is enough to convince me that he is Eson's counterpart .
Having only one or two features in common (in this case, the 6 eyes or circular pattern their helmets both share) isn't enough to conclude that the Mad Celestial in question is, in fact, Eson's 4280 counterpart. That's like saying two human characters are the same person simply because they both have brown hair or blue eyes. I'm with you on this one, Zop.
Galactus powerlevel varies depending on how much he chooses to consume, that have been shown atleast three times that I can recall.
As for defeating Arishem, it really depends on how you look at Galactus and more importantly which shown version you choose to use, the Galactus that fought the GE would be fine with just one planet imo. Galactus that fought Odin, would need atleast five, and the Galactus from the Fantastic Four I think would be fine with two or three, so it depends.
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