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KMC Comic Book Tiers Thread - Vote Now!

KMC Comic Book Tiers

Okay, so, much like the original thread here, this is a new version that we're opening for the people on the VS forum. This thread should serve as a guideline to anyone that wants to make a match, and can't decide if character X is a match for character Y.

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    This is a GENERAL power listing. We don't care how fast, how versatile or how strong your favourite character is; it's an averaging out of power.
    This list DOESN'T account for PIS or prep, but can for CIS/CIP.
    Different versions of characters, if required, will be specified in brackets.


Now, for anyone that doesn't know what these terms mean, here's a quick explanation (credit to Digi):

- Trans - Tier was created to represent anything above Surfer (who is generally considered the top of high herald) and below Skyfather. It is the only tier that is defined on either extreme by actual characters.
- Street - Generally refers to characters without powers, but not without exceptions. A skilled martial artist would likely be street. A skilled martial artist who can amp himself to metahuman levels would not. It is possible to be without a "power" and be above street (for an example: Karate Kid).

Meta and Herald are pretty self-explanatory.

Making changes: This list is NOT perfect (and is a little out-dated). People are going to disagree. To that end, people will be allowed to recommend that certain characters be moved up and down. With enough support, or mod approval, characters can be moved. All final changes to the list must be approved by mods, so no trolling votes will be accepted.

Okay, without further ado:

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The List:

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Tier 4 - Trans. Tier (Sub-Skyfather)

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer, Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Doomsday (H/P), Dr. Fate, Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

Tier 3 - Herald

High
Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, Dr. Strange (classic), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), Quasar, Qztr, Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman, Swamp Thing, Talisman, Thor, Zoom II (Hunter Solomon)

Middle
Adam Warlock, Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Circe, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Count Nefaria, Damien Hellstrom, Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), The General (Shaggy Man), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hulk, Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Juggernaut (Classic), Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Metamorpho, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Solomon Grundy, Supergirl, Supreme, Terrax the Tamer, Void (Wildstorm, no Creation Engine power), Waverider, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form), Wonder Woman

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Aquaman (DCNU), Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Doomsday (DOS), Doctor Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Light II (Kimiyo Hoshi), Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Enchantress, Engineer, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Forerunner, Gammid, Gilgamesh, Gold Key Solar, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), Guardian I (James Hudson), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hercules (Immortal), Iceman, Invincible, Iron Man, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Kalibak, Kang, Krypto, Lightray, Living Monolith, Loki (Ultimate), Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magneto (U), Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nimrod, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Power Girl, Prime, Professor X, Raven, Ravenous, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, Snowbird, Starhawk, Starman, Super Skrull, Stryfe, Superboy, Tempest, Thor (Ultimate), Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Wendigo, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel

Tier 2 - Meta

High
Abomination, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Blastaar, BOX I (Roger Bochs), Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Crystal, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Gamora, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian II (Heather Hudson), Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Karate Kid, Living Laser, Machine Man, Manbot, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nico Minoru, Nightshade, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Psylocke, Radioactive Man, Sand, Sasquatch, Shassa, She-Hulk, Spiral, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Windshear, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle
Adam Strange, Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blob, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Cyborg, Cyclops, Darkhawk, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Gorgon, Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, Jubilee, Karolina Dean, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Molly Hayes, Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Ogun, Omega Red, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, Rom, Sebastian Shaw, Shadowcat, Shift, Speedball, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Venom, Victor Mancha, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Wonder Girl, Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)

Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deadpool, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Man-Bat, Marrina (Normal), Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nuke, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Vermin, Vulture, Warpath, Wildchild, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar, X-23

Tier 1 - Street

High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Rose Tattoo, Taskmaster, Union Jack, Nightwing, Red Hood

Middle
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Black Cat, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat, Robin

Low
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Talia, White Tiger


Note: For the time being, all DC characters listed are pre-reboot versions. Distinctions will be made as the thread is edited.


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Off the top of my head, I'd vote for Classic Doctor Strange being bumped down to High Herald.


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Off the top of my head, I'd vote for Classic Doctor Strange being bumped down to High Herald.


Okay, so Doctor Strange to High Herald.

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Good start dude thumb up


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I would also bump King Thor up from Trans and/or replace him with Odin Force Thor.


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I would also bump King Thor up from Trans and/or replace him with Odin Force Thor.


That raises another question: Should there be a Skyfather tier?


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That raises another question: Should there be a Skyfather tier?


There should be a skyfather tier and I would vote to keep strange where you currently have him


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That raises another question: Should there be a Skyfather tier?


I personally think the lines between low/mid/high Skyfather are a bit murky to navigate. You could always do a catch-all Skyfather tier, but usually, there's not much debate or contention of what counts as a Skyfather per KMC tiering. Most people agree that Odin is the pinnacle of the tier, so really, anyone around that level but not above it should count, imo.


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There should be a skyfather tier and I would vote to keep strange where you currently have him


Ok, so that's:

Doctor Strange to High Herald.

For: 1 (Jake)
Against: 1 (Raisen)

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I personally think the lines between low/mid/high Skyfather are a bit murky to navigate. You could always do a catch-all Skyfather tier, but usually, there's not much debate or contention of what counts as a Skyfather per KMC tiering. Most people agree that Odin is the pinnacle of the tier, so really, anyone around that level but not above it should count, imo.


I was thinking about a solo tier, yeah. No high, mid or low.


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I personally think the lines between low/mid/high Skyfather are a bit murky to navigate. You could always do a catch-all Skyfather tier, but usually, there's not much debate or contention of what counts as a Skyfather per KMC tiering. Most people agree that Odin is the pinnacle of the tier, so really, anyone around that level but not above it should count, imo.


Break Skyfather into two levels

PR. You got yourself into a sh1t storm


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You think I didn't expect this after what happened in the last thread?


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Also, is there any way for you or another mod to delete posts? Because this thread will run quite a few pages, probably over a single issue, and we all know they'll be some bickering and probably spamming along the way. I think keeping the thread clean would be a good idea after so many posts.

Unless you keep this open for about a month or two, lock the thread, and "update" every once in a while.


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You think I didn't expect this after what happened in the last thread?


I wasn't around for that one........

Break skyfather into two tiers: Elite and Standard. Elite would comprise Odin, Zeus and maybe a few others. I'm sure this could be agreed upon.


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it's "Doctor Doom", not "Dr. Doom". Not officially getting his doctorate is integral to his origin story.


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I'm also voting that Ultron be bumped up to High Herald. Dude has taken on the Avengers more than once and has held his own, if not beaten, the likes of heavy hitters such as Thor or Sentry.


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Also, is there any way for you or another mod to delete posts? Because this thread will run quite a few pages, probably over a single issue, and we all know they'll be some bickering and probably spamming along the way. I think keeping the thread clean would be a good idea after so many posts.

Unless you keep this open for about a month or two, lock the thread, and "update" every once in a while.

don't try to get rid of me


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I'm also voting that Ultron be bumped up to High Herald. Dude has taken on the Avengers more than once and has held his own, if not beaten, the likes of heavy hitters such as Thor or Sentry.


agree


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I was thinking about a solo tier, yeah. No high, mid or low.


I think that a Skyfather tier is a good idea smile

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Doctor Strange to High Herald.

For: 1 (Jake)
Against: 1 (Raisen)


I also agree that we should take down classic Dr.Strange to High Herald.

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I'm also voting that Ultron be bumped up to High Herald. Dude has taken on the Avengers more than once and has held his own, if not beaten, the likes of heavy hitters such as Thor or Sentry.


Ok, so the characters we have so far:

Doctor Strange to High Herald.

For: 1 (Jake)
Against: 1 (Raisen)

Ultron to High Herald.

For: 2 (Jake, Raisen)
Against: 0


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I think that a Skyfather tier is a good idea smile



I also agree that we should take down classic Dr.Strange to High Herald.


Why take Strange down? Dude has the most outrageous feats in Marvel


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Why take Strange down? Dude has the most outrageous feats in Marvel


Most of them are prep feats or have lots of context to them and on the average, wouldn't make him significantly beyond the likes of Silver Surfer or Thor, both of whom have some equally insane feats under their belt.


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