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Zero Hour Parallax vs. Sise-Neg

Who win this battle for everything and at full power?

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Sise Neg's limits aren't known, though the best thing he did, was recreate a universe or even simply let the big bang take its natural process, while ZHP was going to recreate infinite universes, or something close to that, so ZHP wins.

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^^ Sise-Neg actually absorb all mystical energy across all Timelines
starting from the 31st Century on down to the Void before the original Big Bang.

He was literally entering Alternate UniverseS as the story progressed.

Heck, he was even absorbing Strange and Mordo's powers while they
were in-between universes, and Sise-Neg himself was located withIN
some other Alternate universe.

At the end, all of Marvel at the time,
was re-created via Sise-Neg initiating the Big Bang.
Sise-Neg contained "All extant power" at that point.


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So he's as powerful as Damage who created the big bang too? Cool. Parallax wins.


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Originally posted by operator616
Sise Neg's limits aren't known, though the best thing he did, was recreate a universe or even simply let the big bang take its natural process, while ZHP was going to recreate infinite universes, or something close to that, so ZHP wins.



You likely got that idea from the one dude on Comicvine who insists that Sise-Neg just went back to the beginning of time and let the Big Bang start from out of nowhere. He couldn't have done that as Sise-Neg held all time and space - all reality - as well as all mystic energy within himself. With that known, how would a big bang even come about unless Sise-Neg triggered it himself? The most "letting the big bang take its natural process" could mean is that when Sise-Neg set it off, he recreated everything as it was without changing it to suit what he had previously envisioned. Along with that we have Sise-Neg stating that time turns and begins again with him and then he calls himself 'Genesis' as soon as his body explodes with energy.


Also, FP Sise-Neg wins.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Sise-Neg actually absorb all mystical energy across all Timelines
starting from the 31st Century on down to the Void before the original Big Bang.

He was literally entering Alternate UniverseS as the story progressed.

Heck, he was even absorbing Strange and Mordo's powers while they
were in-between universes, and Sise-Neg himself was located withIN
some other Alternate universe.

At the end, all of Marvel at the time,
was re-created via Sise-Neg initiating the Big Bang.
Sise-Neg contained "All extant power" at that point.


Alternate universes were never mentioned in the story, i assume you're taking the alternate timelines = alternate universes, right? i can accept that (even though it's not always the case, though this is the most frequent case), however i remember very well how the story ended: A cosmos un-creating itself

Furthermore, this is confirmed by his official bio, and marvel's official website (in the beginnings of the universe section of the 616 universe page)

So Sise neg didn't really recreate "all of marvel" but rather 616 reality

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Originally posted by CortSether
You likely got that idea from the one dude on Comicvine who insists that Sise-Neg just went back to the beginning of time and let the Big Bang start from out of nowhere. He couldn't have done that as Sise-Neg held all time and space - all reality - as well as all mystic energy within himself. With that known, how would a big bang even come about unless Sise-Neg triggered it himself? The most "letting the big bang take its natural process" could mean is that when Sise-Neg set it off, he recreated everything as it was without changing it to suit what he had previously envisioned. Along with that we have Sise-Neg stating that time turns and begins again with him and then he calls himself 'Genesis' as soon as his body explodes with energy.


Also, FP Sise-Neg wins.


That's nice, but i got that idea from marvel premiere #14 page 20:

http://i.imgur.com/Jriaowa.jpg

He questions whether he witnessed he birth of a second universe or the first, like it initially was.

Still though, i said "or" now didn't i? because the marvel official site says that sise neg released his power creating the big bang

http://marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

and his official bio says so too:

http://i.imgur.com/4txCHnD.jpg?1


Whatever you say, though.

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Originally posted by operator616

Alternate universes were never mentioned in the story, i assume
you're taking the alternate timelines = alternate universes, right? i can
accept that (even though it's not always the case, though this is the
most frequent case), however i remember very well how the story
ended: A cosmos un-creating itself

Ol' Stevie decided to use that term to signify everything, not my problem.
Fact remains, that depictions = Sise-Neg absorbing energy from All Timelines beginning in the 31st century and ending at Pre-Big Bang point.
(perhaps all universeS since all space-time & energy was within his power)
On Panel Sise-Neg ventured into different periods of Time, which are Alternate UniverseS.
Again, not our problem if ol' Stevie was ignorant about that.

Just like Dorkin had no idea he made Mxy in WF a multi-Multiverse eraser/remaker.
(not our problem, so by default, Mxy gets the feat)

That aside,
Sise-Neg had Strange and Mordo ride the Big Bang's creation process
back to their proper Time-Era. This highlights the Big Bang was creating everything again.
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Originally posted by operator616

Furthermore, this is confirmed by his official bio, and marvel's
official website (in the beginnings of the universe section of the 616 universe page)

Bios are beautiful and meaningless if they contradict on panel showings.

Still, funny you brought up "the beginnings of the universe section"
which attributes what Sise-Neg did, to what Thanos/HOTI did, Alien Entity did,
and of course what Insane Genis/Entropy did.

Those were all cases where all existence, or all reality, multiverse whathaveyou
was remade from Nothingness. The ONLY instances in fact.
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So Sise neg didn't really recreate "all of marvel" but rather 616 reality

That's yur opinion and yur entitled to it, but I disagree.

Sise-Neg didn't just recreate 616, but rather all of marvel at the time.


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... oh snap! ... scans appeared.


Well then ... scans: (I found this/my post in another thread, which is a summary)

What did Sise-Neg do beyond create a universe?

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Sise-Neg became GOD of the Universe and Beyond!

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Dr Strange confirms this.

Here is Strange, in-betweeen Universes, (OUTSIDE 616 or any other alternate universe)
traveling into the Past chasing Sise-Neg. ... Doc states:

"Sise-Neg could change All Reality by simply willing it"

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Then as you can see Sise-Neg easily plucks Strange from the Void between Time
and into an Alternate Universe that contains the Past.

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This could still be hyperbole ...

... so did Sise-Neg re-create everything, including BEYOND the Universe as he stated?

Absolutely!

Genesis creates All Eras he had sucked dry, which are all the Timelines of Marvel's History:

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"Everything explodes, mushrooming from the point where,
ALL Existing Power had been held
" (Sise-Neg's body)

"Riding the crest of the blast Strange/Mordo ...
forward through Time until they reach their proper Era
" (Universe/616)


*note*

Reality/Universe 691 is one of the 31st Century realities (possible futures) of Earth-616,
doesn't change the fact that Reality 691 is an Entire Alternate Eternity/Universe,
which Giraud cauterized its wound.

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This story is obviously on a scale that encompasses Everything (all realities)
Unfortunately BACK in 1974 the term "Multiverse" wasn't really used if at all.

So after the evidence we must agree ... Sise-Neg ... "Universal?" .... Nah!


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31st Century has some OP beings when you think about it. Sise-Neg, Protege, Scathan.

My god...


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Originally posted by Mr Master
Ol' Stevie decided to use that term to signify everything, not my problem.
Fact remains, that depictions = Sise-Neg absorbing energy from All Timelines beginning in the 31st century and ending at Pre-Big Bang point.
(perhaps all universeS since all space-time & energy was within his power)
On Panel Sise-Neg ventured into different periods of Time, which are Alternate UniverseS.
Again, not our problem if ol' Stevie was ignorant about that.

Just like Dorkin had no idea he made Mxy in WF a multi-Multiverse eraser/remaker.
(not our problem, so by default, Mxy gets the feat)

That aside,
Sise-Neg had Strange and Mordo ride the Big Bang's creation process
back to their proper Time-Era. This highlights the Big Bang was creating everything again.

Bios are beautiful and meaningless if they contradict on panel showings.

Still, funny you brought up "the beginnings of the universe section"
which attributes what Sise-Neg did, to what Thanos/HOTI did, Alien Entity did,
and of course what Insane Genis/Entropy did.

Those were all cases where all existence, or all reality, multiverse whathaveyou
was remade from Nothingness. The ONLY instances in fact.

That's yur opinion and yur entitled to it, but I disagree.

Sise-Neg didn't just recreate 616, but rather all of marvel at the time.


then why did Ol' Stevie say that he recreated a cosmos, as in singular?

Again, im not disputing the fact that he went into alternate timelines or universes, in fact, i did say that i accept it. It was, like stated on panel, when they reached their proper era (616 universe), when strange noted that they witnessed the big bang. Meaning that it was the 616 big bang.

Not all of those cases are the same, in Thanos' case it was the universe (on panel) and multiverse (in marvunapp), so now you want us to go by what says in marvunapp rather than what was said on panel, right? But not in Genesis' case?

Alien entity's big bang was called universal on panel, and doesn't even have any secondary evidence that says it's multiversal...the only one that has proof that it's multiversal in the issue itself is the Genis instance....so what's so funny about the "beginnings of the universe" section that i brought, again?

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by operator616

then why did Ol' Stevie say that he recreated a cosmos, as in singular?

Perhaps he meant the Marvel Cosmos.
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Originally posted by operator616

Again, im not disputing the fact that he went into alternate
timelines or universes, in fact, i did say that i accept it. It was, like
stated on panel, when they reached their proper era (616
universe), when strange noted that they witnessed the big bang.
Meaning that it was the 616 big bang.

Cool,
so long as we understand Strange and Mordo rode a creation blast,
a creation blast that came from Genesis. It was creating as it travelled.
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Originally posted by operator616

Not all of those cases are the same, in Thanos' case it was the
universe (on panel) and multiverse (in marvunapp), so now you
want us to go by what says in marvunapp rather than what was
said on panel, right? But not in Genesis' case?

Actually, Marvunapp is my secondary source when bias/intransigence/ignorance can't see/accept on panel proof.
(not saying yur any of that, but that's when I hit bios nowadays to strengthen my case)

Anyway, on panel, Thanos bonded to the Omniverse.
On Panel, Thanos continued to absorb AFTER he had absorbed the Conceptual representations of 616 Eternity/Infinity.

Tells us now friend, Who else threatened Thanos's reign in 616,
after he absorbed the embodiments of said Universe?

He continued to absorb because he felt someone else might try him,
but Who else in 616 could lol?

If you try and search for an answer to that one you'll explode with frustration.
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Originally posted by operator616

Alien entity's big bang was called universal on panel, and doesn't
even have any secondary evidence that says it's multiversal...the
only one that has proof that it's multiversal in the issue itself is the
Genis instance....so what's so funny about the "beginnings of the
universe" section that i brought, again?

What I said to begin with. Take it easy, wasn't meant to offend.


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