This is a rematch of the epic first battle between Superman and Doomsday. Both combatants are the same versions that appeared in DoS. However, this time PIS and CIS are both off, meaning that the outcome hasn't been pre-ordained by the writers. Is this version of the Man of Steel capable of defeating the monster or is this version of Doomsday too much for this version of Superman?
Stipulations: No BFR, fight is to the death. Sun dipping is off limits, as is any tech that might exist in the fortress or JLA HQ, so no miracle machine, phantom zone projector, ect.
TBH I don't know how in the phuck Superman beat DD. Nothing was able to hurt him. I was thinking it was PIS that he beat him. I mean he managed to hurt DD for the first time at the very end of the comic where Superman was near death. So Superman letting loose is more than 5 times as powerful as his normal self. WTF?
Anyway Superman wins by letting loose in the very beginning.
Post-CRISIS Superman's mind limited his powers. Byrne and I think Wolfman too established in early Post-CRISIS stories that Superman's mind has an effect on his powers, like he lost his powers due to amnesia(yet still while powerless and amnesic, out-performed Silver Surfer against Parademons ). There's several examples of this, both clear and ambiguous. Loeb's run leading up to and including OUR WORLDS AT WAR is probably the best example. Mongul II was training Superman specifically to overcome the mental blocks, and you compare the fight of Superman/Mongul II vs an Imperiex Probe all the way through to AOS 595(I think it was) where the narration shows Superman's dropped the mental blocks, and you see him owning Imperiex Probes left and right with ease. And the narration shows he's been doing this for at least hours, perhaps days.
Superman dropped mental blocks when Doomsday threatened Lois. One example of this is comparing he team effort energy attack that was worthless, to after Doomsday threatened Lois, him slamming Doomsday into a building with a burst of heat vision. Going from hurting your hands punching Doomsday to beating Doomsday to death while injured kinda shows the power jump Superman had.
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Doomsday seemed to be tanking some serious damage. Would dialing it up to 11 in the very beginning make Superman fatigue faster? I was thinking that his best shot would be to take Guy's Qwardian ring and use it to amp himself.
How exactly is it Doomsday wins when the OP basically makes it so Superman goes all out far, far earlier? It was his humanized mind that caused him to do so poorly in DOS, and CIS being off means he doesn't have that weakness here.
And, CIS being off does not benefit Doomsday in the least considering he'll be just as bright as before.
__________________ Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
that was a good superman story, but like this guy said: I mean, what was the issue that reduced his durability so drastically that the retcon (which it was) would even justify itself?
I don't think you're getting what Abhi(and I) are saying. Superman's durability during most of DOS was his "standard level" before the Kryptonite X(and later Mongul II training and other) power-up(s). When Lois was threatened, mental blocks were dropped and his powers went up.
__________________ Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
Maxima was tossing superman around casually and even downed him for some moments. But then he was brought to his kryptonian mindset by eradicator and he walked through maxima's psi-bolts and oneshotted her.
The odds were against supes, that is what made his victory and death an heroic tale. The same fight in forum mode means Doomsy takes a large majority, 8.5/10 maybe.
Maxima was tossing superman around casually and even downed him for some moments. But then he was brought to his kryptonian mindset by eradicator and he walked through maxima's psi-bolts and oneshotted her.
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Jan 17th, 2014 12:49 AM
). There's several examples of this, both clear and ambiguous. Loeb's run leading up to and including OUR WORLDS AT WAR is probably the best example. Mongul II was training Superman specifically to overcome the mental blocks, and you compare the fight of Superman/Mongul II vs an Imperiex Probe all the way through to AOS 595(I think it was) where the narration shows Superman's dropped the mental blocks, and you see him owning Imperiex Probes left and right with ease. And the narration shows he's been doing this for at least hours, perhaps days.
Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
