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You couldn't beat yourself if you tried

Which character would be absolutely dominated by an alternate reality, alternate Earth, alternate timeline, or clone of themselves?

For example, I believe that 616 Surfer would be destroyed by his Exiles counterpart. Are there anymore out there?


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DCNU Superman would get wrecked by Pre-Crisis.

Ultimate Luke Cage gets killed by 616.

Ultimate Guh-Lak-Tus loses to 616.

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Ultimate Colossus over (616)Colossus?


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Nooooo. It's been proven many times that 616 is stronger.

Ultimate didn't do anything he couldn't replicate.

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Originally posted by KingD19
Ultimate Guh-Lak-Tus loses to 616.


I've actually heard a compelling counter-argument to this. I'm not sure I agreed, but it's not entirely black & white.


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Most of Ultimate is the obvious answer, right? With limited exceptions, I'd say about 80% of 616 is more powerful than their Ultimate counterparts. Most alternate realities we see lack enough showings for us to say much definitively. So the pickings are slim outside of that. DCnU vs. Pre-FP is the other obvious comparison, but we can't generalize quite as much there. Several got upgrades, several got downgrades.

I'm on board with Ultimate Colossus, though. Maybe 40 years of showings has given 616 the same number of high-end feats, but lower showings count for something too.


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I've actually heard a compelling counter-argument to this. I'm not sure I agreed, but it's not entirely black & white.
What was the argument?


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What was the argument?


It was actually put forth by Scoobless, that broke down the initial Gah-Lak-Tus arc and proposed that 616 Galactus would not have fared nearly as well against the same attacks. I remember being somewhat swayed. I can't say I remember the details, though.

It's still swimming around the forums somewhere. A dedicated enough search (maybe Scoob's threads?) might turn it up.


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Ultimate Captain America crushes 616 Cap...


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What If Korvac annihilates 616 Korvac.


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I read a little Spider-man ultimate. He captured Wolverine for 2 minutes in his webbing. He might be able to beat 616 in a web fight.


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Originally posted by Digi
It was actually put forth by Scoobless, that broke down the initial Gah-Lak-Tus arc and proposed that 616 Galactus would not have fared nearly as well against the same attacks. I remember being somewhat swayed. I can't say I remember the details, though.

It's still swimming around the forums somewhere. A dedicated enough search (maybe Scoob's threads?) might turn it up.


I've actually argued pro Ultimate Galactus as well...

Ultimate Galactus withstood a universe creating/destroying attack (Ultimate Reed Richards fired the Ultimate version of the Ultimate Nullifier at Galactus) and wasnt close to being destroyed (it only lost 20% of its mass as a result of the attack); 616 Galactus has been dropped by far less...

Ultimate Galactus was only temporarily stunned by a combined psionic attack from everyone on Earth combined, and that attack was amped by Shield technology; if memory serves me correctly, Thanos had some limited succcess against Galactus solo psychically...so once again, an argument can be made for Ultimate Galactus being superior to 616 Galactus in this respect.


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Originally posted by zopzop
What If Korvac annihilates 616 Korvac.


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100% agree...


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@Digi

Oh yeah, Ultimate Galactus also defeated 1 billion superpowered beings with the power to blacken suns in mere miniutes...

I'm not completely sure that 616 Galactus has a better combat feat than that...


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Herald my rage comes to mind


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Herald my rage comes to mind


That was a pretty good feat for 616, but those 1 billion superpowered beings were (well its implied) that they were fighting Gah Lak Tus back...

Nothing was really fighting against Galactus when he went Herald my Rage...


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I don't think that exiles Surfer would beat 616 Surfer. He only beat on some retarded AU Galactus and got gutted by cosmic sabretooth....


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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
That was a pretty good feat for 616, but those 1 billion superpowered beings were (well its implied) that they were fighting Gah Lak Tus back...

Nothing was really fighting against Galactus when he went Herald my Rage...


What level were those super powered beings? Galactus wiped out what like 3 star systems...im sure the watcher that owned tried to shield himself. Being one shot killed from an attack is alot more impressive than actively fighting back and losing imo


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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I've actually argued pro Ultimate Galactus as well...

Ultimate Galactus withstood a universe creating/destroying attack (Ultimate Reed Richards fired the Ultimate version of the Ultimate Nullifier at Galactus) and wasnt close to being destroyed (it only lost 20% of its mass as a result of the attack); 616 Galactus has been dropped by far less...

Ultimate Galactus was only temporarily stunned by a combined psionic attack from everyone on Earth combined, and that attack was amped by Shield technology; if memory serves me correctly, Thanos had some limited succcess against Galactus solo psychically...so once again, an argument can be made for Ultimate Galactus being superior to 616 Galactus in this respect.


In fairness, surviving the the dimension cannon attack was more about being spread out than being durable. Agreed on the rest.


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