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Batman Vs Sebastian Shaw

No prep (and NO basic knowledge of each other). No BFR.
Fight starts with both opponents on either side of a roof top, 6 story building at night. Batman has standard gear, Shaw is averagely charged, as he would be on a normal non confrontation pending day.


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Would gas knock him out?

It should do, but am sure there will be a scan showcasing the opposite.

Otherwise, Batman will punch him, Shaw would laugh it off, he'd get batarangs etc thrown at him to no effect, Shaw would do his usual arrogant villain thing of telling Batman what his powers are, and Bats would then use his gas.


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There's a fart joke somewhere in that joke, but if Batman's not taken out quickly, which Shaw can do, then yeah, Equipment becomes a big factor i think.


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Batman quickly deduces Shaw's power from his swagger and willingness to be hit. Batman then gasses Shaw before he becomes a threat, or KOs him with via pressure point.

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so long as bats figures out his power quickly he should be able to ko him. if shaw starts amping himself though, this could be tough. his durability goes through the roof. i wonder if pressure points would be enough? gas SHOULD do it, but only if it is unexpected, otherwise bats would have the gas blown back in his face.


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so long as bats figures out his power quickly he should be able to ko him. if shaw starts amping himself though, this could be tough. his durability goes through the roof. i wonder if pressure points would be enough? gas SHOULD do it, but only if it is unexpected, otherwise bats would have the gas blown back in his face.


Pressure points, imo, wouldn't work - he'd just absorb the KE from the attacks.

Another way he could win is by expanding foam inside Shaw's big mouth.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...preist_cps_.jpg


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"No basic knowledge"


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Also Batman would never potentially kill anyone.

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
"No basic knowledge"


Shaw screams his powers out:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ShawvsRogue.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads..._med
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http://www.comicsrecommended.com/im...llfire-shaw.jpg
http://www.just-marvel-x-men.com/im...perpowers-1.jpg

He's hardly known for his subtlety.

'FOOL! DO YOU NOT KNOW WHO I AM?? ANY BLOW YOU LAND, ONLY SERVES TO MAKE ME STRONGER!!!'


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Also Batman would never potentially kill anyone.


But he WOULD know how long the average human could hold their breath before being KO'd; this was the strategy I had in mind:

http://static1.squarespace.com/stat.../1422498181443/


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That's a lot more foam than glue though.

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Then it would be dribbling out his mouth.....i have no idea how his foam works, orif he has smaller doses, or the properties.

Only that he has it, and its an option. This fight's Batman's to lose, IMO.


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According to the scan you put up, it rapidly expands and hardens to make a seal. Going off that scan it would potentially kill Shaw. If the expansion from the inside out doesn't destroy his head or something, he'd choke to death.

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A gas pellet in Shaw's mouth would take him out.

Batman used something similar against Captain Nazi I think, when he fought him, the hyena and vertigo. Or maybe it was against grundy?

Anyways, pretty clear cut fight. Batman either gets gets something that goes for Shaw's throat/eyes/whatever, or Shaw becomes too strong.


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Batmans versatility plus Shaws hubris should get Batman a win here

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he WOULD know how long the average human could hold their breath before being KO'd; this was the strategy I had in mind:

http://static1.squarespace.com/stat.../1422498181443/

Thats a nasty trick...!


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Pressure points, imo, wouldn't work - he'd just absorb the KE from the attacks.


The KE from a pressure point attack isn't really going to be much, especially compared to a decent punch. If it's something like a nerve hold, the velocity of movement involved would be so slow that the KE would be negligible. Shaw would be getting far more energy from his own footsteps.

If it's a jab type pressure point attack, it may well render him unconscious before it amps him, even if it does amp him even as much as a punch. It's not like one punch makes him invincible, he's probably susceptible to these sorts of attacks for at least a while - after all, we've seen Thor, Hulk, Namor, Thing etc. all knocked clean out by a single quick pressure point attack. I doubt Batman would let him reach those levels.

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Shaw facing an unknown threat would probably start amping straight away, possibly even throwing himself off the roof. Doubtful that Batman will get to Shaw before he's powered up


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The KE from a pressure point attack isn't really going to be much, especially compared to a decent punch. If it's something like a nerve hold, the velocity of movement involved would be so slow that the KE would be negligible. Shaw would be getting far more energy from his own footsteps.

If it's a jab type pressure point attack, it may well render him unconscious before it amps him, even if it does amp him even as much as a punch. It's not like one punch makes him invincible, he's probably susceptible to these sorts of attacks for at least a while - after all, we've seen Thor, Hulk, Namor, Thing etc. all knocked clean out by a single quick pressure point attack. I doubt Batman would let him reach those levels.


If it were from someone modestly superhuman I could buy that, but I don't think they'd work from Batman.

I do think though Bats is the favorite here, with the scans DS showed of Shaw proudly proclaiming his power. Batman's got the durability showings and skill that I think he'd last long enough for Shaw to tell him, and then use gas or something.


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