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Manchester Black vs Cassandra Nova

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Chester. Cassandra never struck me as anything impressive.

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I thought she was on the level of Xavier when it came to telepathy? Though I still think Black could fend her off long enough to kill her with his TK.

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Chester. Cassandra never struck me as anything impressive.

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I thought she was on the level of Xavier when it came to telepathy? Though I still think Black could fend her off long enough to kill her with his TK.

She was easily stronger than Xavier.

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What did she do that was due to her power?

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What did she do that was due to her power?

Everything she did was due to her power, wtf are you talking about?

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Everything she did was due to her power, wtf are you talking about?

She took control of Xavier due to her special psychic connection, not because she overpowered him:

http://postimg.org/image/kupwe48b7/

In her words, it took no effort.

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She took control of Xavier due to her special psychic connection, not because she overpowered him:

http://postimg.org/image/kupwe48b7/

In her words, it took no effort.

Ok, that has nothing to do with a tp fight between the two though.

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Ok, that has nothing to do with a tp fight between the two though.

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At what point had she taken over his mind, though?

From earlier in the comic, when she was in Ecuador, she had already taken him over, when he was using Cerebra (in her words, it actually opened Chuck's mind up to her, and led her STRAIGHT to him). She's already controlling him:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...nction01-17.jpg

Then if you look at the battle itself - Chuck doesn't actually do anything in the battle.

Jean tries going in, he tells her to stay back...then he doesn't actually do anything. He SAYS he's going to try and shut her down, but we never see it. Whether that's because he gets TKed out of his wheelchair, or it was all a show for the other X-men, we don't know.

Jean then gets KOed and starts foaming at the mouth. But then, she may have been weakened.

They never actually have a battle.

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At what point had she taken over his mind, though?

From earlier in the comic, when she was in Ecuador, she had already taken him over, when he was using Cerebra (in her words, it actually opened Chuck's mind up to her, and led her STRAIGHT to him):

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...nction01-17.jpg

Then if you look at the battle itself - Chuck doesn't actually do anything in the battle.

Jean tries going in, he tells her to stay back...then he doesn't actually do anything. He SAYS he's going to try and shut her down, but we never see it. Whether that's because he gets TKed out of his wheelchair, or it was all a show for the other X-men, we don't know.

Jean then gets KOed and starts foaming at the mouth. But then, she may have been weakened.

They never actually have a battle.

He was trying to shut down her motor functions, it's what he said in the scan. He is actively trying to do it as he's talking... erm

Jean gets ko'd from tp, not tk.

Both Charles and Jean are trying to attack her mind and can't.

If Charles could match her in a tp battle he would have stopped her from reaching cerebra instead of screaming about it like a *****.

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But that's the thing...none of Chucks' actions can be trusted. We don't know at what point she started mind controlling him....but from their very first encounter (when she was in Ecuador) she was already telling him to shut up and stopping him from thinking coherent thoughts.

And never said Jean was taken out by TK? Only that she may have been weakened.

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But that's the thing...none of Chucks' actions can be trusted. We don't know at what point she started mind controlling him....but from their very first encounter (when she was in Ecuador) she was already telling him to shut up and stopping him from thinking coherent thoughts.

And never said Jean was taken out by TK? Only that she may have been weakened.

But that's not the thing, there's no proof his actions can't be trusted.

Yea, weakened by Nova raping her with tp.

Nova > Xavier and Jean. thumb up

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From earlier in the comic, when she was in Ecuador, she had already taken him over, when he was using Cerebra (in her words, it actually opened Chuck's mind up to her, and led her STRAIGHT to him). She's already controlling him:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...nction01-17.jpg

Cerebra still amped Chuck's psychic senses to the tenth power. So even though Cerebra led Cassandra straight to Chuck's mind, it doesn't change the fact that he was still MASSIVELY amped when she mindphucked him initially.

Connection or not, that's impressive.

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He was trying to shut down her motor functions, it's what he said in the scan. He is actively trying to do it as he's talking...

Jean gets ko'd from tp, not tk.

Both Charles and Jean are trying to attack her mind and can't.

If Charles could match her in a tp battle he would have stopped her from reaching cerebra instead of screaming about it like a *****.

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Mindset is actually debating? I think this is in the Bible about the Apocalypse coming.

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Nova had already effortlessly controlled Chuck earlier, not due to her power, but due to the unique psychic connection they share.

Xavier doesn't actually do anything in the fight except tell Jean to get back.

Jean was already infected by nano Sentinels, weakening her.

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Nova had already effortlessly controlled Chuck earlier, not due to her power, but due to the unique psychic connection they share.

Xavier doesn't actually do anything in the fight except tell Jean to get back.

Jean was already infected by nano Sentinels, weakening her.

Xavier doesn't do anything in the fight except enter Nova's mind and try to shut down her motor functions to no avail. thumb up

Jean was infected by Nova's tp turning her brain inside out. thumb up

Nova > Jean and Chuck

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He says he is going to - but we can't know for certain.

Jean was infected by Sentinels from Ecuador (which is what Nova was doing in the first place):
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Scott just dismisses her:
http://postimg.org/image/5ecc3u3o3/

Beast attempts to resist her, and when her attention wavers for a split second due to Beak, Beast breaks free:
http://postimg.org/image/ieo309q8j/

Then Beast/Wolverine flat out resist her, due to being animalistic:
http://postimg.org/image/g9ei155hv/

That does NOT sound like being > 10x Xavier.

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We know for certain that you have no proof that he wasn't attacking her.

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We know for certain that you have no proof that he wasn't attacking her.

And you have none to say he was doing what you say he was. He merely says he thinks he can shut her down from...and she TKs everything.

Edit: yet she's unable to mindcontrol Beast when Beak interrupts them, is unable to stop Cyclops from ending the storyline there and then on the Shi Ar ship, needs to weaken the X-men with Sentinels, and is unable to mind control Wolverine and Beast when they go savage.

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And you have none to say he was doing what you say he was. He merely says he thinks he can shut her down from...and she TKs everything.

Edit: yet she's unable to mindcontrol Beast when Beak interrupts them, is unable to stop Cyclops from ending the storyline there and then on the Shi Ar ship, needs to weaken the X-men with Sentinels, and is unable to mind control Wolverine and Beast when they go savage.

Except for the comic having him say he was, that's all the proof I need.

He is trying to shut her down and can't, then she just flings him away like trash with her tk.

If you want to say he's not actually attacking her, you have to show proof of that; the onus is on you, bud. thumb up

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