We don't see exactly how he defeated him. For all we know he could have utilized his weakness, with which even Superboy has beaten him in the past. Also the whole GDS was questionable to begin with since he absorbed artifacts prior.
We've debated this in the past I think, but ill repeat:
1) Getting called in the same class means jack squat. They were referring to his threat level. And Darkseid is best known for GDS in the legion continuity so they're obviously referring to that version.
2) When those statements were being made TT hadn't performed his top feats iirc.
3) Any villain worth a damn was called as being in the same class as TT back in the days. Stargrave is an example, and he was only trans level.
Darkseid has a bunch of nice feats, BFRing IM and sealing the entire dimension; he also created and uncreated Validus (although it's questionable whether he was amped), swatted the black racer, but he simply hasn't been nearly as impressive as Odin.
You summed up Odin's history pretty nicely. No argument there
I know my post isn't as constructive and objective as yours but take a look at my collection of Odin's feats:
We've debated this in the past I think, but ill repeat:
Haha, what? Getting called in the same power class as Infinite Man and Time Trapper doesn't mean anything?
Bullshit.
Another lowball, eh? Stargrave had only lip service. Darkseid actually put Mon-El into coma with one blast which neither Trapper nor an amped Infinite Man could do that.
Its quite opposite. Odin has never been as impressive as Darkseid.
Good to know. Compare Jane Thor making him bounce around solar system like a ping pong ball to Darkseid oneshotting Mon-el into coma.
So he defeated him off-panel, not sure why you're showing me this. Either way though
1) he had already absorbed artifacts
2) Odin > Mordru.
3) we see Mordru basically buried. Which is his weakness. If he's buried/isolated he becomes powerless.
Here we go again with the hahas and the bullshits.
You are completely missing the context of these statements. They were referring to GDS darkseid.
Why the hostility?
Tell me again what did TT do till that point? You do realize TT was created as a master mind criminal kind of villain initially and was gradually getting more and more powerful with time. His major feats all occurred after the GDS saga. That much is a fact.
Stargrave sealed dimensional warps and was handling the legionnaires.
Again, amped Darkseid. And TT was toying with Mon-El.
Off panel? He defeated Mordru on panel as seen here.
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Which didn't come close to bring him at full power.
Not in his wildest dreams.
Its a psychological fear. Its not kryptonite which actually weakens Mordru.
For you that's enough.
Whose power had waned over the years.
Who is hostile?
He wasn't retconned and neither did he become more powerful.
And his power was already shown when stopped Superman from travelling in time and destroyed all possible futures using GL energy in one Superman issue.
So? How is anyone handling the LOSH is merely trans?
He wasn't amped. That's another of your bullshit claims.
Time Trapper was trying to kill Mon-El. And an amped Infinite Man was compared to Darkseid.
This is completely wrong, and ill post scans if you want. Ill prove it beyond all doubt, believe me. TT actually used conventional weaponry in his early appearances in Adventure Comics and was nowhere near the reality warper he became later on. The superman issue which you referenced is a prime example of this. It explicitly stated that he arranged the GL energy to go to the time dimension which you was used to destroy the possible futures. It wasn't even his power that destroyed them.
Not the entire legion. He was handling lightning lad, cosmic boy and sun boy. Doesn't exactly require a skyfather to do that.
Already proved it in the scans above. Onto the second part.
Cheapshot? Mordru is looking right at him and gets beaten by a wave of his hand.
And he was freed from that prison which restores him at full power.
You should understand quite easily.
Those are not amps. He is absorbing those items of power and beings to get back at full power and even then his power wasn't what it was at full power.
Be honest please: Do you think this is shit up there is on the same level as the TT who warped all the timelines?
Are you even reading your own scans:
his personal abilities are not known
Also, these who's who bios are completely retarded in the power level section, they're contradictory. Ultra-Boy's bio says that his abilities are not on the level of Superboy/Mon-el when in comics they were described exactly as such and are proven even. This is just one example.
Btw, since you love bios, I just remembered that ive posted Darkseid's bio which revealed he was amped before, this should have sealed the debate tbh, but naturally it got ignored back then. Here it is again:
In all seriousness I think it's more or less an even split.
Darkseid has some low showings which are mostly a result of him being treated as Superman's big bad. You inevitably end up with a few shit showings when you're the villain.
Odin also has his fair share of low showings which I believe is mostly so that he can't be used to solve every problem in the Thor comics. Similar to how Xavier is always incapacitated
See third post. Btw, abhi, I didn't just list space cheese, there are tons of battles on the list.
For a direct comparison. Odin instantly mindraped the entire human population, while Darkseid sought to do exactly that yet couldn't and even resorted to using machines in extracting the secrets of ALE form single individuals. He also fled his planet due to a rebellion, Odin would just wave his hand and deal with them all together in an instant. Among other things like being threatened by the forever people. I honestly don't see how they can even be regarded as being close. There's a clear difference in power level. Do you think it's a coincidence that people always refer to GDS when debating about pre-Crisis Darkseid despite him having dozens of other appearances? It's because only in that arc he has good feats which he achieved through various amps. And Darkseid wasn't treated as a "superman big bad" he wasn't even a superman villain pre-Crisis. His sole goal was finding the ALE
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