Loki was jobbing was he? Anyway you guys need to bare in mind that in Cap civil war Cap was owning Iron Man in h2h, Pepper Potts even said that Tony couldn't take him h2h and had to activate countermeasures. Cap even went h2h with Ultron.
Now the question of course is whether Cap was able to do that because he improved or is Loki more formidable than Ultron and Iron Man, that might explain why when Cap challenged Iron Man to a fight and he was scared. So maybe Cap hasn't improved he was able to take Iron Man in h2h all along.
Yea but you don't know how hard Hulk hit him. I don't think Hulk was using his full strength, still doesn't change the fact Cap was able to hurt him with a kick.
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Then again Iron man owned loki with one unanswered repulsor blast that ended the conflict, twice. As for Civil war that particular armor was damaged by the time of the fight and it was Cap AND Bucky fighting him, the latter adding even more damage.
I'll have to watch Civil War again but I can't remember Winter Soldier doing much damage to his armour but I could be wrong. Yea I know they were both fighting him but then it was Cap and Iron Man just fighting each other and Cap was creaming him.
This is a discussion forum, you're supposed to actually explain your point instead of just simply telling people to rewatch stuff. If every one did that there would be no point to this forum, feel free to elaborate.
I dunno about that, looks like Loki felt that kick but it didn't do serious damage also the point has been made that Cap got better.
EDIT: Yea I looked at that clip again Loki definitely felt that kick.
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It's been explained. Loki was jobbing in Avengers and was no selling Cap with Widow/IM backup. There's nothing that Cap has shown to place him on that level.
Not sure it's been explained actually. I repeat again Loki did not no sell the kick, however I agree with you that fight in itself certainly proves he can't take Loki.
I will have to watch Civil War again because I can't remember how badly damaged Iron Man it was. I also mentioned that Cap fought Ultron 1on1 as well.
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JFC why are you bringin up CW? When Loki faced Cap in Avengers he lost. Cap had backup and Loki was TRYING to get caught. He had Rogers beaten and he was not trying.
Because the argument is being made that Cap got better. This would explain why Cap was able to hold his own against Iron Man and Ultron two guys that could hold their own or beat Loki.
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How badly damaged was he? We can't even be sure if its the same suit doesn't Iron man have multiple copies? As I explained at points in the fight it was just Cap and Iron Man, Winter Soldier was not able to do any serious damage to IM in that fight and at one point Cap was creaming him.
Nah sry Ultron would have beaten Cap and was the superior opponent, but Cap took it to him and was holding his own. Plus Ultron is a tougher opponent because he was using energy projection and Cap was at a disadvantage at points in the fight due to the envinronment. Didn't cap put Ultron through a pillar?
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Iron Man and Ultron possibly being able to beat Loki is rather irrelevant since they have flight and other long range abilities that Cap doesn't have. Cap may have gotten better but there's no evidence to suggest that he got stronger or faster. He simply isn't strong enough to to put a real dent on Loki's durability.
Tony didn't want to kill Cap. He wanted to kill Bucky. Cap was getting a lot of hits until Tony analyzed his fight style on the fly(I think its bullshit he even needed that at all but whatever) if Tony really wanted he could have turned his strength output to 11 and just have not stopped until Steve was paste. Lets be honest, Iron man did a shit ton of jobbing in that movie. Things have been going so well for him it would be fair to say he was due a little bit of jobbing, but job he certainly did.
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Well I don't think you've proven that Tony could easily kill Cap if he wanted to so it's a fine line between wanting to kill Cap and beating the hell out of him, he was also extremely angry and Cap was standing in the way of the main he anted to kill. I've only seen Iron Man 1 can't remember him being able to increase his strength. Anyway you need to prove he jobbed.
Also another problem you got is that Cap was doing well against Ultron so you're going to have to explain that as well.
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