Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Brubaker elaborated on the peak human thing nicely, having interpreted it as the peak human potential, evolutionary next-step, something no human from our time can ever train himself to be.
Originally posted by Deadline
Caps is above peak human. These are quotes from Ed Brubaker. Thanks go to Daredevil1 for finding them.http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060330214926
"Just physical exertion. While I don't think of Cap as 'super' like Spider-man or Superman,[B] he's clearly not Batman with a shield. He's not just like a guy who works out all the time and is trained. He's been enhanced, and I wanted to show that a bit."
"See, I never understand why everyone gets so worked up about this stuff. Cap was given the Super-Soldier Serum. The first word there is SUPER. He's not superman, but clearly, he's been shown to be much faster and stronger than a well-trained athlete, many many times. One of everyone's favorite Cap appearances seems to be DD: Born Again, where he's shown running to fast that he's a breeze."
http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060418204829&q=ed%20brubaker
"I see it as he's the ultimate of human potential. Not something the modern man could ever be, but like an evolutionary next-step, basically. He's not Thor or Spiderman, but he's not Batman, either." [/B]
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
More quotes on CV:I agree with parts of a lot of people's comments here and elsewhere. But I think it's a bit funny to see people get so bent out of shape when a guy who's given something called the "Super Soldier Serum" turns out to be a bit more than the average human. He's been leaping out of the windows of eight story buildings and across city streets in NYC, dodging bullets, doing amazing feats of speed and strength, since I started reading the book in the early 70s.
My take has always been that Cap is the peak of human POTENTIAL. What humans might someday be able to do, physically, he already can. If it was just about having an olypic-level athlete, do you really think all these groups and scientists would have been wasting 50plus years trying to replicate the SSS?
All I've done is have him say outloud what's always been pretty clear to me as a fan of the character. He's always been a lot stronger and faster than the average well-trained athlete. And I've always hated the Batman comparisons. Batman trained himself, Cap got given a miracle serum. I'm not making that up or changing anything.
Daredevil is more like Batman, physically, and yet in Born Again, Cap races by him so fast he's a breeze. As for Cap running 60mph. In the comic, I think he says he can run a mile in a little over a minute when he HAS to. It's not even implied that he can keep that up all day. It's a full-on burst of speed, when he has to.
Super Soldier Serum. Vita Rays. Lazarus Formula. Peak human performance or close to it after having SSS purged from his system... c'mon.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I figured that this topic deserves a thread of it's own since it so frequently derails threads of all colors.So Cap's stats... "Human", "Peak Human", "Pinnacle of Human Evolution", "Super Human"... What are you guy's thoughts and why?
Can you do Panther and Wolverine next ?! 😄
Originally posted by darthgoober
I figured that this topic deserves a thread of it's own since it so frequently derails threads of all colors.So Cap's stats... "Human", "Peak Human", "Pinnacle of Human Evolution", "Super Human"... What are you guy's thoughts and why?
Humans are stronger and faster now than they were 50 years ago.
Assuming everything stays normal, 50 years from now humans would be stronger and faster than humans of today.
Cap is as strong as a human can possibly be, while still being human in DNA.
Writer's don't know how much force shit takes to do when they write a scene or feat. They are using their suspension of disbelief. Basically, writers think like, "If Cap is the strongest a human can possibly be then he may be able to.....(insert a feat)." But the intentions from Marvel is pinnacle.
If anyone thinks Cap is super human because he can perform feats that todays humans can't do, then, by the same logic, Batman is also super human.
But it's a contradiction to be super human and human at the same time.
That's like saying there is a number that is greater than 4 yet equal to 4.
Originally posted by leonidas
but...they can't be. 😐
