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Monarch replaces Odin against The Fourth Host of Celestials

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Monarch gets stomped as thoroughly as the All-Father did.


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Monarch gets stomped worse than Odin did.


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Monarch gets stomped as thoroughly as the All-Father did.

Why? Monarch is quite a bit above Odin.


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Monarch isnít beating the fourth host


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Monarch
Why? Monarch is quite a bit above Odin.


iirc, in the Destroyer armor and with Uni-Mind, the Celestials basically no-sold him. I won't get into Monarch v. Odin specifically - I know the old guy has gotten a severe depowerment compared to his old days...but that's also part of the point. He was >>>> his more recent self in terms of feats and portrayals. Him getting wrecked against the 4th Host was, at the time, legitimately shocking.

So yeah, Celestials win imo.


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Spite. Monarch loses to a single Celestial.

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Monarch
Why? Monarch is quite a bit above Odin.
Monarch beating the fourth host ?

laughing out loud

The dude got beat by Superman(boy) Prime. He reverted back when he used his strength to defeat him.


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The super amped Odin Destroyer couldn't budge them. I can't imagine Monarch being that much more powerful.


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iirc, in the Destroyer armor and with Uni-Mind, the Celestials basically no-sold him. I won't get into Monarch v. Odin specifically - I know the old guy has gotten a severe depowerment compared to his old days...but that's also part of the point. He was >>>> his more recent self in terms of feats and portrayals. Him getting wrecked against the 4th Host was, at the time, legitimately shocking.

So yeah, Celestials win imo.

I'm not sure he was anymore powerful than his current self. The narration stated that Odin, Zeus and Vishnu's combined attack could move a planet out of orbit and Odin Destroyer could withstand a supernova.

But the fourth host wasn't always unbeatable like that. In their next appearance a portion of Phoenix Force made them retreat.

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Skyfathers vs Arishem

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Jean Grey with a fraction of PF and emotions of a bunch of aliens vs Arishem. Their next appearance IIRC

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Conclusion : Skyfathers are a bunch of sissies.


Exitar was stated to be more powerful than entire fourth host and while powerful he was never shown as a legit universal power.


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The super amped Odin Destroyer couldn't budge them. I can't imagine Monarch being that much more powerful.

Yes, the attacks that could destroy a planet.

Thor busted Exitar's armor open with belt of strength, Jean grey with power of Phoenix destroyed Arishem's hand and Exitar had to save power for thousands of years to kill a single Watcher.

They are not some kind of abstracts because they destroyed Odin.


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4th Celestials win here. Hard.


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i think the celestials of thor 300 would wreck monarch as easily as they beat the destroyer. later incarnations became much more vulnerable. for years they were viewed as pretty much unbeatable. that changed greatly over time.


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Yeah, they were used as feat magnets for other characters unfortunately. But if put in the same situation as Odin, it would go down very similarly in my opinion.


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Let's look at the statistics on the fight. If anyone cares to add anything that I miss, please by all means contribute.

The Celestials slagged the Destroyer like it was butter.

Odin was very slow.

Monarch's armor may be breached if he is hit, which would result in the destruction of those same Celestials.

There is a chance that if Monarch were to avoid being hit, due to superior speed (by far) in comparison to Odin in the giant slow Destroyer. He should be able to do massive damage to the Celestial 4th host of those days even.

These guys are fictional. It isn't difficult to write another character further up on the food chain. The Celestial 4th host were never super heavyweights. They were to Odin, but Monarch was practically written in Toonville in terms of offensive power. I think that Monarch would do damage here. If they rupture his containment won't they go bye bye?


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Does Monarch actually die, or does he just float out there waiting to be collected and placed back into containment? In the past, the Celestials really never went up against anything like Monarch. So we can say that they were more or less big fish in little ponds. Could they survive the kind of heat that Monarch can put out? He has quite the scope.


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