Let's say Adam Strange teleports from Earth by Zeta beams and these characters are tasked to catch him. Keep in mind Adam can teleport across 100 trillion lightyears in moments. Only flight, no teleportation or portals.
Well we know for sure it won't be Quasar. His limit is just under the speed of light. That's why he needs to Quantum Jump. I don't think Runner can do it without warping either.
Gladiator can't do it. We saw on panel, in that Thanos mini, that his speed cap is several hundred times light speed. It's cool but not enough.
That leaves Thor and Surfer.
Thor without Mjolnir isn't doing jacksh|t period. Thor with Mjolnir, without warping, is possible. Mjolnir is a magical artifact and even Surfer was commenting on how fast it moves.
A PIS/CISless Surfer can probably do it. Transform himself into tachyons and have a go at it.
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Thor and SS.
Zop made a distinction of Thor without Mjolnir, but thats not really relevant.
In the classic sense theyre a package deal. Like Hal/Ring, Cap/Shield, Batman/Belt, Tony/Armor.
Unless the OP specifies otherwise, and it didnt, why even bother saying 'with/without hammer'?
Aaaanyway, yeah, Thor and SS, they can do it. It would be a bigger feat for Thor than the space faring SS.
Wait, are Zeta beams a means of teleportation or a means of propulsion? Just confused because the OP says that the Adam teleports but that no teleportation is allowed. So is the question who can travel faster than "instantly" or what?
While I won't go so far as to say that Surfer could do it, I will say that I could see it being within the realm of possibility for him. There was one time where him, BRB, and Quasar needed to get somewhere quick so the later two teleported and Surfer seemed to arrive at the same time. It was no where near the distance being discussed though, I'm just pointing out that he's seemingly kept up with long range teleportation before.
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Looking at the panels again we see Thanos throw a punch at Cap just as Surfer starts his movement, and we see Thanos' punch get closer and closer to Cap's face before Surfer arrives.
We even see that Cap's facial expression has time to change while Surfer is traveling.
He was gritting his teeth in one panel and his mouth was closed in another.
All in all I'd say it was a 1/10th of a second scene. Even if it was 1/100th of a second it wouldn't be enough.
See, I just don't like the idea of treating that particular feat as if it's quantifiable for or against Surfer. Even when I posted it in the his respect thread I actually labled as him traveling just over a light year in second(s) just to account for the possiblility of Thanos holding up his hand tauntingly rather than just throwing a regular punch. I consider it one of those things that's obviously impressive, but too ambiguous to use for a definitive answer for or against Surfer's speed in anything but the broadest sense.
...Except me saying that NO ONE on this list can outrace zeta-beams isn't just my 'opinion', because NONE of them have feats to suggest they can... Not even remotely close, in fact. Ergo, my 'opinion' here is actually *fact*.
Anywho, you are more than welcome to have an opinion that Thor and Surfer can outrace zeta-beams with their own raw speed. I just hope you realize that your opinion doesn't mean anything at all in this debate, unless you can validate it with *some* form of on panel evidence(which you have yet to do) -- this is referred to as the "burden of proof"... Now IF you are able to provide said evidence, your opinion could then be moved into the realm of *fact*.
This is how debating works. Let me know if I can help you with anything else.
Teleportation. It allows for instantaneous travel across any distance... This goes all the way back to its very first appearance in the 1950s.
Because zeta-beam literally equates to instantaneous teleportation from one point to another, the only way it could logically be 'outraced' is with *some* form of temporal manipulation/dilation... Basically how Flash 'outran' the Cosmic Gamblers.
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only way i could see it coming even close to happening would be if someone were able to BECOME zeta energy. not impossible for someone like ss but likely against the spirit of the rules. someone could also harness it--maybe more plausible, but under their own power, using only speed? no one here has even remotely CLOSE to the feats to suggest this is even a debatable issue. /shrug
And I'm sure SS could harness/become zeta-beam, tbh... Firestorm has, after all. But like you said: I think OP only wants raw physical speed used here.
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