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Best Knockoff

Comic book writers have been "borrowing" from one another since the beginning, the most famous example arguably being Captain Marvel, who was deemed so close to Superman that Fawcett Comics got taken to court by DC, then named National, if memory serves.

Other knockoffs include Bruce Banner aka The Incredible Hulk, who borrowed from Hugo Danner, aka Gladiator, and Hawkeye, who borrowed from Green Arrow, himself the very figure of Robin Hood.

Who, in your opinion, are the most blatant or best knockoffs?
Are there any that are widely considered BETTER than the original source character? Which is the most unusual or intriguing?

Discuss.

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Tesla Strong.

Borrows heavily and most obviously from Supergirl and Superman.
Her origin story alludes to the Marvel family of Fawcett Comics (Shazam).
The villain she is fighting is Toyman, and the boyfriend in question is Braniac of DCs futuristic hero group, Legion of Super-Heroes.


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Deadpool

He's actually more popular than Deathstroke.


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•Superman. Borrows from Hugo Danner/Gladiator, to the point that 'Iron' Munro, who replaced Superman in WWII after Crisis, is actually related to Danner.
•Superman. DC amped his powerset in an effort to keep up with Fawcett's Captain Marvel, then sued Fawcett, even though the concepts for the characters (alien visitor/magic word wish fulfillment) are completely different.
•Batman. Borrows from Zorro, so much that DC even acknowledges it in a way, as Zorro is most often the mivie the Waynes are shown having seen before being mugged.
•The Fantastic Four/X-Men/Doom Patrol/Challengers of the Unknown, all connected by simiar concepts, publication timing, and overlapping creators.
•The Hulk. Was Stan Lee's take on the Jekyll/Hyde concept.


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In no particular order:




1. Tesla Strong also homages Wonder Woman now that I think of it.
It was actually quite common in Diana's early years to meet other versions of herself, including giant ones, as Tesla does:


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2. Wade = Slade. Not bad. I've often thought about the similarity between these two.


3. Good catch on Zorro. I never really thought about it until you said it, but the choice of movie probably WAS a chosen homage as they retold Batman after 1940, in addition to be a likely real-life inspiration for Bill Finger and Bob Kane.

This especially hit home when I saw the following image when typing in the name "Zorro" to see if Wikipedia recounted the fate of either Zorro's mother or father:

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One this looks very like Batman on a rooftop, which was Zorro's natural environment years before Bruce.
Two, the "Dark Knight" moniker suits one who has a sword by his side better than someone with customized boomerangs.


Further,

Dad was wealthy.
Hero was regarded as a cavalier "fop".
Hero was well-versed in science, literature, and the arts.
Hero used a cave as his training ground and secret headquarters.

Later adaptations have the hero inspiring a young protege or protégés, who take on his mantle in the hero's more senior years.

Frank Miller took this even further -- in one climactic scene of the Dark Knight Returns, Bruce prevents his "town" from falling to chaos and rioting with the aid of Sons of the Batman, youth inspired by his example -- and leads them on horseback.



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Nice, i enjoyed your catch on Tesla/WW!


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Both Hulk and Doomsday are better than the original Solomon Grundy.

All the Superman clones are worse tbh and can't live up to the original, may it be Goku, Sentry, Gladiator or Saitaman.

Imo Hawkeye is more interesting then the original Green Arrow.

Darkseid as the original is better than Thanos or Mongul.

The best and most successful knockoff would be Deadpool though. The only good thing that Liefeld produced.


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Sentry, goku and OPM are superman knockoffs??

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^^^any character, if powerful enough, will be seen as a Superman knockoff.


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^^^any character, if powerful enough, will be seen as a Superman knockoff.



The bar for that might be set a little lower than you think, Riv.



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(The above image is from Amazing Spider-Man #3, Doctor Octopus's first appearance, as shown in slightly more complete context below. I've read that some reprints have now altered the dialogue to "correct" for this mistake, but the comment works perfectly as written as it is well in-line with the type of arrogant derision and dismissive attitude Ock used to have toward his opponents in his earlier years.


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Originally posted by Genii96
Sentry, goku and OPM are superman knockoffs??


Sentry was meant to be Marvels Superman, by the creators.
Goku got the Backstory directly from him.
OPM is an satire version of the Superhero Archetype, which Superman is the origin of.


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The gamma looking girl that superman fought (not sure if injustice or 52)


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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The bar for that might be set a little lower than you think, Riv.



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(The above image is from Amazing Spider-Man #3, Doctor Octopus's first appearance, as shown in slightly more complete context below. I've read that some reprints have now altered the dialogue to "correct" for this mistake, but the comment works perfectly as written as it is well in-line with the type of arrogant derision and dismissive attitude Ock used to have toward his opponents in his earlier years.


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Thats ****ing awesome! Thanks for sharing!!! laughing


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Originally posted by Genii96
Sentry, goku and OPM are superman knockoffs??


Last son of a dying planet, sent in a rocket ship to a distant planet by his parents, the greatest of their race, where he was adopted by kindly natives, vowing to do good and protect the weak.

Whilst on this adopted homeworld, he develops incredible powers, becoming the greatest hero around.

Just don't expose him to certain special radiation....you might not like the effects.

That's Goku for ya!


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From Silver Surfer to Black Racer...

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...whatever Kirby was smoking was the best!


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The Inhumans (1965) predate the New Gods (1971) who predate the Eternals (1976).
Kirby rehashed themes throughout all 3.


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Re: Best Knockoff

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Are there any that are widely considered BETTER than the original source character? Which is the most unusual or intriguing?


Some say Sentry is a Superman ripoff. If that is the case, he is far superior to the red and blue boy scout.


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^^^a long haired hippie drug addict that turns villain. Riiight.


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Some say Sentry is a Superman ripoff. If that is the case, he is far superior to the red and blue boy scout.


He isn't even a rip off of Superman.

They way the same kind of costume but that's pretty much everything.

Sentry is way better as a concept... Superman is predictable in everything.


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Some say Sentry is a Superman ripoff. If that is the case, he is far superior to the red and blue boy scout.

That's why he is in publication for so long and not in limbo for several years.

Oh wait....

Being a drug addict, weak willed pansy is so much better than being a hero.


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