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Afterthought vs Spider-Man

For all Zack's hype, I'm not seeing how AF's power beats having Spider-Sense, + his stat boosts.

But lets see.

Who wins?


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Already been done here. But, AF can out react the Ray (Who was going faster than light speeds), so I don't think Spidey brings anything new to the table.

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Except for pre-cog.


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Yes, AT is a pre-cog.

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Spider-man uses his Spider-Fu and kick Afterthought's ass.


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Already been done here. But, AF can out react the Ray (Who was going faster than light speeds), so I don't think Spidey brings anything new to the table.


Don't you mean that that he knew what the Ray was going to do before he did it? In that case Spider Man has out reacted Firelord, who has flight speeds multiple times faster than light. Everyone remembers how he went on to majorly upset Firelord to the point that PIS was likely ruled on every battle forum in existence. But PIS does happen in both Universe's. Especially when land locked guys are able to defeat guys that never had to get anywhere near them to win.


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Don't you mean that that he knew what the Ray was going to do before he did it? In that case Spider Man has out reacted Firelord, who has flight speeds multiple times faster than light. Everyone remembers how he went on to majorly upset Firelord to the point that PIS was likely ruled on every battle forum in existence. But PIS does happen in both Universe's. Especially when land locked guys are able to defeat guys that never had to get anywhere near them to win.


I don't see the fight against Firelord as PIS.

That's mostly that Spider-man used his abilities very well to attack FL from all angles.


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Yes, AT is a pre-cog.
Yes, so is Spider-Man, which marks a major difference between him and the Ray. Spider-sense is a lesser degree of pre-cog than what AT is working with, but it still changes the match-up. Especially because of Parker's superior speed etc.

AT might win, but it's not exactly a settled matter.


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Itís dc v marvel. Of course itís settled in his mind. Lol


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Yes, so is Spider-Man, which marks a major difference between him and the Ray. Spider-sense is a lesser degree of pre-cog than what AT is working with, but it still changes the match-up. Especially because of Parker's superior speed etc.

AT might win, but it's not exactly a settled matter.


Midnighter (DC) has similar abilities and AT destroyed him. Midnighter needed prep to take him down.

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And in terms of speed, we saw Midnighter outreact a speedster who was a TRUE speedster (Said to be close to Flash in that respect).

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Itís dc v marvel. Of course itís settled in his mind. Lol


If DC is paying him, WHATEVER they're paying him, I'd bet they're not paying him nearly enough.


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If DC is paying him, WHATEVER they're paying him, I'd bet they're not paying him nearly enough.


Really? I'd say they're paying him too much if he's getting a dime. Irrational fans worsen my enjoyment of characters and franchises. Fortunately, with him it's a whole damn company, so it's more nebulous than most super-fans. And I pay less attention to vs. threads than I used to. But the anti-fanboy urge is strong, and I can point to specific old-time KMC members that sparked my indifference toward certain characters.

Also, I mean, it's KMC. After years of Admin neglect, we're the backwash in the Pepsi of comic fandom. Surely there are more populated internet boards to send their minions to.


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Really? I'd say they're paying him too much if he's getting a dime. Irrational fans worsen my enjoyment of characters and franchises. Fortunately, with him it's a whole damn company, so it's more nebulous than most super-fans. And I pay less attention to vs. threads than I used to. But the anti-fanboy urge is strong, and I can point to specific old-time KMC members that sparked my indifference toward certain characters.

Also, I mean, it's KMC. After years of Admin neglect, we're the backwash in the Pepsi of comic fandom. Surely there are more populated internet boards to send their minions to.


Now everyone is wondering who you're talking about.

You better not be talking about me brah, or I'll invade you dreams like Freddy Krueger. LOL.


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Really? I'd say they're paying him too much if he's getting a dime. Irrational fans worsen my enjoyment of characters and franchises. Fortunately, with him it's a whole damn company, so it's more nebulous than most super-fans. And I pay less attention to vs. threads than I used to. But the anti-fanboy urge is strong, and I can point to specific old-time KMC members that sparked my indifference toward certain characters.
That's typically true, yeah. Sometimes, though, they can successfully spark a whole new fan base for HULK KILLER HUMANOID!

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Also, I mean, it's KMC. After years of Admin neglect, we're the backwash in the Pepsi of comic fandom. Surely there are more populated internet boards to send their minions to.
lol, painfully true.


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AT wins in the way I describe.

1. AT swings a punch.
2. Spidey senses warn Spidey, and he blocks/dodges/whatever.
3. AT knew exactly what he was going to do (let's say, block). So he can counter appropriately with an attack.

It would take a while, but it will get the job done, slowly.


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I'll try to make it a debate. big grin

I certainly see AT connecting this way a number of times, but basic knowledge + combat savviness will make it easy for SM to adapt. At the end of the day that second counter will be just another incoming attack that Pete will sense and be able to dodge thanks to his speed. Plus seeing 5 seconds into the future is not an auto win. Tbh I look at AT reacting to a light speed attack the same way I look at DS tagging the Flash. If the guy himself is not a speedster that means that the speedster he tagged did a dumb thing by not reacting to a guy he can perceive with light speed reflexes. Regardless of the precog, it's incompetence. I can see Spider-man using web cartridges to his advantage here.


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The guy was a speedster too, I reckon. Too few showings to say definitely, but Ray was explicitly at lightspeed.

Like dodging the light from a lamp.....you just can't do it.

Plus he had the strength to mess Lobo up pretty badly. And we all know Lobos regen factor.

Eventually, I just see it as AT forcing Spidey into a corner, move wise. So there's nothing he can do to block punches etc.


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Yeah, AT definitely has enhancements other than his pre-cog. I mean he did mess up Midnighter rather casually, and Midnighter has low super speed. Midnighter's computer brain gives him Spidey type awareness, too, and is actually MORE versatile than Spidey sense.

His suit is just insane, too:
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I can see five seconds into the future. My combat rig neutralizes fatigue poisons and delivers intravenous nutrition.


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Midnighter is fast, too. He put on his costume at super speeds, faster than the naked eye can see. stick out tongue


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Midnighter Vs a speedster. This is how good his battle computer is:

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