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Fantomex.

Your scan implies her illusions are only based on sight. Fantomex is much more than that.


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Fantomex.

Your scan implies her illusions are only based on sight. Fantomex is much more than that.


Nah, she can effect ALL senses, even the mind. She can also see through illusions, too, which would make this fight interesting.

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Nah, she can effect ALL senses, even the mind. She can also see through illusions, too, which would make this fight interesting.


So why did Superman use his ears? I'm asking about the scan you've used.


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It wasn't sensor girl intent to completely fool the JLA/JSA, she wanted to give the Legion sometime to work, while keeping Superman busy.

Sensor Girl is powerful enough to fool a Promethium Giant, so she's powerful enough to fool the like of characters like Superman.

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Sensor Girl wins...in a misdirected thought Fantomex plants in her mind. She comes out of it in time to see a bullet racing toward her skull.


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Sensor Girl wins...in a misdirected thought Fantomex plants in her mind. She comes out of it in time to see a bullet racing toward her skull.


I had to read that two and a half times to understand.

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I had to read that two and a half times to understand.


Not unlike some scenes involving Fantomex's Misdirection ability. As such, I'll consider this a compliment.

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Fantomex.

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Sensor Girl wins...in a misdirected thought Fantomex plants in her mind. She comes out of it in time to see a bullet racing toward her skull.

Only to find it was just an illusion Jackie put through his head.

While Jackie breaks his neck like she did to Nemesis Kid.

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Only to find it was just an illusion Jackie put through his head.

While Jackie breaks his neck like she did to Nemesis Kid.

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Misdirection is a bit of an illogical plot device, though, and doesn't have much that can stop it, including other tp-style powers. If we escalate to scope and scale, the fooling of a Celestial with it is a pretty big trump card for Fantomex as well. And - if memory serves - he can split his consciousness - or outsource his entire brain function - to a remote location in his ship. So I would consider it possible for him to negate or ignore any trickery Jackie might try.

Fights like these are always a bit hard to determine, and it could in fact be a quick draw. But unless Zack is baiting everyone into a fight that the Marvel person can't win (though let's be honest, he usually is; he just screws up sometimes and makes a competitive match by accident), I think he underestimated Fantomex considerably here.


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He's also fought against the Deathloks, who also had his misdirection powers. Whilst it was disconcerting, he was able to recognize it and fight through.

He could also split fighting between his three brains, mid fight. So if Sensor Girl doesn't know this (and it's not general knowledge), she'd be attempting to fool brain 1, whilst brains 2 and 3 would be functioning perfectly fine.

Then EVA is also able to give him sensory input as Digi said. He'd only be able to see in black and white etc, but it's enough.

Plus sentient bullets, shrink rays etc.


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But unless Zack is baiting everyone into a fight that the Marvel person can't win (though let's be honest, he usually is; he just screws up sometimes and makes a competitive match by accident), I think he underestimated Fantomex considerably here.if eva is part of this, yeah he wins.


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if he gets eva, hard to see him losing. if he doesn't i dunno. he could easily misdirect her to think she won though--in fact he does that often. she would then have no reason to keep up her own illusion. i'd think she'd drop it, then the range of his weapons would be the difference and he'd kill her.


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Misdirection is a bit of an illogical plot device, though, and doesn't have much that can stop it, including other tp-style powers. If we escalate to scope and scale, the fooling of a Celestial with it is a pretty big trump card for Fantomex as well. And - if memory serves - he can split his consciousness - or outsource his entire brain function - to a remote location in his ship. So I would consider it possible for him to negate or ignore any trickery Jackie might try.

Fights like these are always a bit hard to determine, and it could in fact be a quick draw. But unless Zack is baiting everyone into a fight that the Marvel person can't win (though let's be honest, he usually is; he just screws up sometimes and makes a competitive match by accident), I think he underestimated Fantomex considerably here.

Fantomex misdirection can be resisted though. Psylocke has done it.

I can't recall any scene of Jackie's illusions bring detected. Even Superman who could scan every spectrum of light and energy couldn't do it and he is as hax as you can get regarding these kinds of things.

Power isn't necessarily equal to perception of these things.


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when did psylocke break/resist a misdirect? only dark beast has done that afaik, and he was prepped for it...


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Psylocke also broke Cassie Nova in that same arc, iirc. She was getting quite the push.

@Abhi: then why did Superman break it - easily - by just switching to using his ears??


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she broke/resisted a misdirect in that arc? i know she ko'd him even though he was immune to tp, but i don't recall her shrugging off a misdirect...


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Psylocke also broke Cassie Nova in that same arc, iirc. She was getting quite the push.

@Abhi: then why did Superman break it - easily - by just switching to using his ears??

And Jackie has fooled both J'onn and Saturn Girl.

He didn't, she was crying and didn't even use her power at that time.


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Fantomex misdirection can be resisted though. Psylocke has done it.

I can't recall any scene of Jackie's illusions bring detected. Even Superman who could scan every spectrum of light and energy couldn't do it and he is as hax as you can get regarding these kinds of things.

Power isn't necessarily equal to perception of these things.


No doubt she's powerful. But I'm still unsure how she circumvents the remote brain functioning he regularly employs, or what her defenses against a misdirect would be.


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