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238 Mad Jim Jaspers vs Mad Celestials

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Sep 21st, 2019 08:35 PM

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Depends how you think 238 Jaspers compares to adult Franklin... Because the latter would have been incapable of defeating 3 Mad Celestials by himself.

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Sep 21st, 2019 09:26 PM

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Wut G, ... 238 MJJ's reality warping reserves were infinite,
as you know, his warp would've spread across everything.

As where Franky's reserves aren't.

Also, I'd put JJ's durability far above Franky's as well.

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Adult Franklin has created multiverses-
https://i.postimg.cc/2yb4wDTZ/0.jpg
If he couldn't beat a few Mad Celestials, I doubt 238 MJJ could beat the lot of them.

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Sep 21st, 2019 10:22 PM

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that's from the new issue of marvel history isn't it

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Yep.

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^^ That scan is referring to a time that has never taken place on panel.

Because on panel, at best, Franklin has always been a universal power.

Remember, they're literally nearly at the end of all time, so he's
reviewing shit that hasn't even happened yet in comic current time.

So, I, nor anyone else knows wtf Franklin's taking about there.

ie. Obviously the Franklin that couldn't handle 3 Celestials was not at multiverses creating levels.

The only time Franklin was involved in creating the omniverse was using the Beyonders' powers.

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That said, 238 JJ wins, after a brief battle imo. Franklin exhausts his powers.

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Originally posted by LordGod
Adult Franklin has created multiverses-
https://i.postimg.cc/2yb4wDTZ/0.jpg
If he couldn't beat a few Mad Celestials, I doubt 238 MJJ could beat the lot of them.

Look, I'm all for Franklin-wank, but I wouldn't necessarily take that at face value. For example, when Franklin repopulated Marvel with universes following the events of Hickman Wars, he technically did [re]create the multiverse... But he did so universe-by-universe, and also required Owen's 'help' in solidifying the individual universes and binding them to reality. Perhaps he's referencing that in the scan you posted, or perhaps he's referencing a creation feat we've not yet seen on panel(the story is set billionS of years in the future, after all.) Point is, we don't know for sure.

Either way, the bigger question for me is whether or not the Celestials possess the means of actually stopping MJJ. Afaik, they cannot nullify entire universes from existence, which is what it took to stop 238 Jaspers. /shrug

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Sep 21st, 2019 10:53 PM

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that's usually how franklin brags about his power
https://imgur.com/AdLehug
Like Galan said, I wouldn't take it at face value, not saying he couldnt, just saying it's inconclusive

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Originally posted by Galan007

Look, I'm all for Franklin-wank, but I wouldn't necessarily take that at face value. For example, when Franklin repopulated Marvel with universes following the events of Hickman Wars, he technically did [re]create the multiverse... But he did so universe-by-universe, and also required Owen's 'help' in solidifying the individual universes and binding them to reality. Perhaps he's referencing that in the scan you posted, or perhaps he's referencing a creation feat we've not yet seen on panel(the story is set billionS of years in the future, after all.)

Either way, the bigger question for me is whether or not the Celestials possess the means of actually stopping MJJ. Afaik, they cannot nullify entire universes from existence, which is what it took to stop 238 Jaspers. /shrug

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Fair enough.

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Adult Franklin has created multiverses-
https://i.postimg.cc/2yb4wDTZ/0.jpg

There is one note to highlight concerning this scene,
it settles the question of what full potential Franklin would be.

So Waid just settled Franklin on God-like levels in the future.

This Franklin is a new tier for his 616 incarnations.

Amazing how even his near supreme being status can't save him from death.

*note: I just noticed he basically also says he did greater things than create multiverseS. wow.

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Adult Franklin has created multiverses-
https://i.postimg.cc/2yb4wDTZ/0.jpg
If he couldn't beat a few Mad Celestials, I doubt 238 MJJ could beat the lot of them.

That's Franklin at the end of existence, I'd imagine his powers have developed higher than they were when he fought the Mad Celestials.

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That's Franklin at the end of existence, I'd imagine his powers have developed higher than they were when he fought the Mad Celestials.

He is referencing his distant past when he speaks of creating multiverses and says that he does even greater things centuries later.

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He is referencing his distant past when he speaks of creating multiverses.

How distant? When he fought the Celestials?

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How distant? When he fought the Celestials?

It's not specified except that it was the next step after he created worlds, something kid Franklin does. Adult Franklin is from a future timeline, so he is possibly a few hundred years old. He travels back in time to face the Mad Celestials.

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It's not specified except that it was the next step after he created worlds, something kid Franklin does. Adult Franklin is from a future timeline, so he is possibly a few hundred years old. He travels back in time to face the Mad Celestials.

So you're saying you don't know if he had already done it when he fought the Mad Celestials, or if it was achieved in the literally billions of years after that?

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that's usually how franklin brags about his power
https://imgur.com/AdLehug
Like Galan said, I wouldn't take it at face value, not saying he couldnt, just saying it's inconclusive

What gives the indication of falsehood?

Sep 22nd, 2019 03:37 AM

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So you're saying you don't know if he had already done it when he fought the Mad Celestials, or if it was achieved in the literally billions of years after that?

It's not pinpointed.bit you similarly can say it happens at the end of time. It's before.

Sep 22nd, 2019 03:39 AM

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