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Astner
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TOAA vs TOBA

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So this is going to be a bit speculative since we barely know anything of the characters, but I'm curious as to what people think at this point. I'm expecting one of two answers "stalemate," or "TOAA wins."

Currently I'm on the side of a stalemate. My reasoning is that both have been described as all-powerful in the same manner by the same writer.

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From The Ultimates v.2 #100.

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From The Immortal Hulk #25.

Edit. This is not TOBA-possessed Banner, but the entity that according to Ewing is "below Oblivion."

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Nov 2nd, 2019 03:48 PM

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Wait, didnt TOBA create Knull who then created the Necro-sword? One of the most powerful items in the Universe? I know that's childs play to people of this caliber but looking at future events that will happen later based off of what I just said, TOBA along with his minions will be the last things standing in a dead multiverse.

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Also, this would be a funny fight to see because it seems like both of them tend to appear as a cloud.

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Interesting Ewing implies there that TOAA exists outside of the Marvel Multiverse.

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Interesting Ewing implies there that TOAA exists outside of the Marvel Multiverse.

When?

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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Well, Ewing states TOAA is above Eternity in the same way that TOBA is below Oblivion, and Ewing shows in Ultimates that to exist outside of Multi-Eternity requires Galactus to be outside the entire Marvel Multiverse.

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Nov 2nd, 2019 04:18 PM

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I would certainly hope that TOAA exists outside of, and independent from, the Marvel multiverse.

...Not that the ability to exist outside of the multiverse/Eternity is necessarily unique in Marvel. For example, it has since been established that, aside from just the Beyonders, a multitude of different civilizations/races occupy the Beyond Realm(which obviously sits beyond the multiverse):
https://i.imgur.com/czG7ZQS.jpg
So yeah. /shrug

Regardless, for all its problems and relatively limited scale at times, Infinity Ending still makes the distinction that Thanos /w/ the power of TOAA = "ALL realities' personification and executioner.":
https://i.imgur.com/LVoIwSZ.jpg

So even though TOAA's power is fallible to an extent, he is still regarded as the undisputed top dog in all of Marvel cosmology(within a well-functioning system, of course.)

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(within a well-functioning system, of course.)

So without maniacs like Starlin

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Astner
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Originally posted by carver9
Also, this would be a funny fight to see because it seems like both of them tend to appear as a cloud.

Found this on Comicvine.

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There are a few more interesting Tweets.

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It does seem that Ewing is going with the stalemate approach, but it's ambiguous enough to be open for interpretation.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if the Immortal Hulk ended with a conversation between TOAA and TOBA.

Nov 2nd, 2019 09:24 PM

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What are TOBA�s limitations? Did he need help escaping hell? Does TOAA have similar limitations? I used to think that they were opposite but after reading the comics he just sounds like as demon of hell.

Nov 2nd, 2019 09:55 PM