Something that people miss in DOS - Doomsday was fast. Very fast.
Maxima comments on it: (please log in to view the image)
Superman comments on it: (please log in to view the image)
And again: (please log in to view the image)
Booster of course, compares him to Flash: (please log in to view the image)
Guy coudln't even react to him: (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
And this scan. This is probably the one that people need to keep in mind - whilst WE, the readers, can clearly see Superman, see the 'S', every detail of his belt, his boots etc - to anyone else in the comic, they were blurs (and this is relatively early on in the story): (please log in to view the image)
IOW, if the comic was an anime, the entire fight would just be Doomsday being a blur. WE see static panels, with static characters, but in the 'comic world', it was all taking place at really high speeds.
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To add to that. DD after being resurrected, with one hand, in the space ship buried underground was punching nonstop, and those punches were being registered as earthquakes.
DD and Superman punches also shook the earth as well.
Then we have pre DOS that took on the Guardians and survived.
Also survived tear in space.
Battled The Radiant for days, and it took a blast that Razed 1/3 of the planet to finally stopped him.
Trouble with almost all of that is its not quantifiable. Superman gets caught flat footed all the time, and no other character is really capable of operating on Supermans speed level, let alone Flash.
So pretty much hyperbolic statements and non feats.
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A fair comment, but I showed not just Superman being caught flat-footed. Guy was as well, as was Maxima, and Booster, a historian comic nerd who knows every hero inside out, compared the two.
But the comments from Maxima and Superman(in particular) hold a lot of merit, imo. Superman was actively being ragdolled by Doomsday, and outright stated that he had to keep moving faster in order to match DD's speed.
Point being, DD wasn't just your run of the mill brick. He was wickedly fast as well.
How fast was Thragg? Wasn't he easily evading Mark? Look how easily he beats Nolan to the punch, as he uses his entire arm to stab through his torso. I'm seriously hoping that no one is suggesting that Doomsday would spend the entire time speed blitzing Thragg.
Thragg hits harder than DOS Superman ever hit Doomsday. Weaker Viltrimites than Thragg was able to planet kill with an assault. By comparison, a full hit from Thragg may conceivably do to Doomsday what Superman did to him at the very end of the DOS arc. Just putting that out there as a comparison.
Superman [who was casually operating inside nanoseconds, seeing lightning in slow motion etc] having problems keeping up with DD's speed [on top of all the other Flash-comparisons and whatnot] speaks quite a bit on where he was standing.
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Can you show me one scan of Doomsday shaking the planet during the DOS arc? I recall the punch that placed the two of them in a coma, blowing out windows for miles, but no planet shaking. Characters far weaker than Thragg, easily destroyed a planet. Did you ever see the Flash use his top speed against Doomsday? When do we begin to draw a line between what is and isn't considered to be hyperbole?
Superman held back throughout the entire fight. If he went in with the same attitude that he had at the end of the arc he would've defeated Doomsday in the very first book. Doomsday wouldn't have had the chance to evolve. In a forum we ignore plot which is was one of the reasons that it took Superman as long as it did. This is without the need to ignore CIS. Thragg is not Superman. He wouldn't waste a moment to attempt to kill Doomsday. There's clearly a difference.
Guy, Maxima and Booster didn't hold back. the rest of the JLA didn't hold back and nearly died.
Moreover, even if Superman held back - the dialogue clearly states that even early on in the story (when Doomsday was still wearing his green outfit) the two combatants were still moving at speeds which meant people saw them as blurs (i.e. at high speed).
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