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Love Phoenix vs. Nightmare

eek! Is Phoenix still subjective to her sub conscious?
Can Nightmare rule her day?

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jean grey>nightmare>beyonders>phoenix force>jean grey

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Current era Jean is written as the Mary Sue of psychics in all of Marvel.

There's essentially very few beings these days, even cosmics who can stand up to her telepathy.

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jean grey>nightmare>beyonders>phoenix force>jean grey

kmc is a flat circle hohoho


Huh?

Where did you get that the Beyonders are greater than the Phoenix Force?

Pre retcon yes. But since the very 1st Beyonder retcon, the Phoenix Force has always been above any Beyonder/Cube being.

Most significantly, in last months Defenders Beyond issue 3, the Beyonder makes it quite clear that there is a chasm in the power differential between the full Phoenix Force and a Beyonder:

https://i.imgur.com/bRJPeiB.jpg

A host is not one and the same as the Phoenix Force. It is a multiversal entity that manifests at a universal level via the familiar Firebird avatar, or it empowers hosts across the multiverse. Hosts vary in power and ability and not all have the same level of access to the Force.

God Doom defeating Cyclops is not evidence of Beyonders > Phoenix Force.

It simply means God Doom is greater than the singular host Cyclops Phoenix. Who in turn isn't even the greatest Phoenix host, that would be Jean Grey:

https://i.imgur.com/9ObpWJm.jpg

Echo for example, is comparatively weak for a Phoenix host:

https://i.imgur.com/ezLJAor.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/p8dTpgM.jpg

Furthermore the Beyonder's and their machinations are actually fuelled by the White Hot Room, the Phoenix Forces home dimension that the Phoenix and its hosts have complete control of:


https://i.imgur.com/tFNOYzm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/x1Eb3MO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/q21wVoA.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2TDINyU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Ev0OVKI.jpg



So to sum it up, all hosts are not equal, a host does not equate to the Phoenix Force, the firebird is just a universal avatar of the true Phoenix Force which by canon is greater than the Beyonder's, who themselves depend on the White Hot Room.

Going back to this forum battle....Phoenix wins wink


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Huh?

Where did you get that the Beyonders are greater than the Phoenix Force?

Pre retcon yes. But since the very 1st Beyonder retcon, the Phoenix Force has always been above any Beyonder/Cube being.

Most significantly, in last months Defenders Beyond issue 3, the Beyonder makes it quite clear that there is a chasm in the power differential between the full Phoenix Force and a Beyonder:

https://i.imgur.com/bRJPeiB.jpg

A host is not one and the same as the Phoenix Force. It is a multiversal entity that manifests at a universal level via the familiar Firebird avatar, or it empowers hosts across the multiverse. Hosts vary in power and ability and not all have the same level of access to the Force.

God Doom defeating Cyclops is not evidence of Beyonders > Phoenix Force.

It simply means God Doom is greater than the singular host Cyclops Phoenix. Who in turn isn't even the greatest Phoenix host, that would be Jean Grey:

https://i.imgur.com/9ObpWJm.jpg

Echo for example, is comparatively weak for a Phoenix host:

https://i.imgur.com/ezLJAor.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/p8dTpgM.jpg

Furthermore the Beyonder's and their machinations are actually fuelled by the White Hot Room, the Phoenix Forces home dimension that the Phoenix and its hosts have complete control of:


https://i.imgur.com/tFNOYzm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/x1Eb3MO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/q21wVoA.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2TDINyU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Ev0OVKI.jpg



So to sum it up, all hosts are not equal, a host does not equate to the Phoenix Force, the firebird is just a universal avatar of the true Phoenix Force which by canon is greater than the Beyonder's, who themselves depend on the White Hot Room.

Going back to this forum battle....Phoenix wins wink

OMG GS smile WB dude. I hope you doing well and had a good Thanksgiving.


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OMG GS smile WB dude. I hope you doing well and had a good Thanksgiving.


Hey stranger. Im good. Hope youre well?

Im from the UK so we dont actually celebrate Thanksgiving here, but i hope you enjoyed your celebrations though? smile


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Hey stranger. Im good. Hope youre well?

Im from the UK so we dont actually celebrate Thanksgiving here, but i hope you enjoyed your celebrations though? smile

Ah! My bad. But yeah, it was a good Thanksgiving here. That Defenders : Beyond scan is crazy. Beyonder wanted no part of the Full PF especially in the WH Room.


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