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eleveninches
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Worried Could god challenge himself?

If there were a god, and he is capable of doing whatever he wants, then would he also be able to set himself a task that would be challenging for him, and would be difficult for him to do. If he is capable of doing anything, then he would be able to instantaniously solve the puzzle and complete the challenge, but if he can do ANYTHING, then he could be able to create a puzzle for himself that even he could not easily solve.


What are your thoughts???

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if he existed, yes he could bet on the grand national, with out cheating or seeing the future or anything like that smile


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i think we can not simply think god with human perspective. God is not a human that can learn from challenge and grow, God knows everything. God no need challenge, it was only for human to play with.

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God no need challenge
so wasnt the creation of the entire universe a challenge(for those who believe god did do that)

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If creating the universe was not a challenge, then why would he have done it??

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eleveninches
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Also, how can a perfect being create anything that is imperfect. If humans are imperfect, then it is because their creator (human or divine - depending on what you believe), then their creator must also be imperfect.

Is it possible for a perfect being to create something that is imperfect. If he is perfect, he would know how to create something imperfectly, but doing so would deny his own perfectness..

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Hasnt God challenged himself with the creation of humans? I mean he has tried to make the Earth sin free time and time again, but his gift that is freedom of choice leaves our existence up to us.

Even if Jesus came back to earth and gave all of humanity proof without a shadow of a doubt that there is a heaven and a hell. people would still make choices willingly to damn their souls. If there is one thing that God cannot controll, it is the human spirit and mind.


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eleveninches
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Well, other humans can control the human mind through deciet and manipulation. Advertising people do it everyday. Hypnotists and psychologists do it for a living. So i dont see how god would be unable to do so

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quote:
Originally posted by eleveninches
If creating the universe was not a challenge, then why would he have done it??


The guy's gotta get his kicks from somewhere, did you ever hear tell of God's little bit on the side? No, therefore the Big Guy needed a little excitement in his life. Also, we are the result of God's Asexual Procreation smart


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well influence and totall controll are different things. God could influence or even totally controll perceptions in the human mind and soul im sure, but that would be a contradiction of free will. God tried making people believe him and follow his words, but all he got was fire and brimstone, and 40 days and 40 nights of rain.


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quote:
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well influence and totall controll are different things. God could influence or even totally controll perceptions in the human mind and soul im sure, but that would be a contradiction of free will. God tried making people believe him and follow his words, but all he got was fire and brimstone, and 40 days and 40 nights of rain.


Yes, and I suppose you believe all you read in the papers, right? roll eyes (sarcastic)


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Yes, and I suppose you believe all you read in the papers, right? roll eyes (sarcastic)


What the hell does that mean? I am just giving a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question.


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.... i'm not really sure why you guys really care...
but i suppose, if there was a god and he was like everyone said, infallible... nothing would be challenging for him...
so, i doubt it...


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It's like the "Could God create a stone SO heavy that he couldn't lift it?"


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quote:
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
What the hell does that mean? I am just giving a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question.


Ugh, sorry. It was the 'fire and brimstone/40 days & nights' thing that got me.......


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Rumor has it, God created Satan to challenge him. This was in the Old Testament. Satan was not some evil being who lived in Hell with demons. The evil Satan came later in the skewed English translation of the New Testament. I think. So, yeah, God created Satan to challenge himself! smile


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God's power is infinite

the limitation to a challenge are finite.

therefore, God could overcome any problem he set for himself


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Another way to put this question in a philosophical term would be like this:

Can God create another God?

How about them apples? wink


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god's power is infinite, so to make another god would require infinite power.

inifinity - inifinity = infinity

so yes, he could


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