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Discrimination Against Christians?

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Article by Tom Flynn

As I write this, 2004’s year-end holidays are winding down. They were marked by a surprisingly vigorous Religious Right campaign opposing the secularizing of the season. “Don’t say ‘Happy holidays,’ say ‘Merry Christmas,’” majority Christians demanded. Implausibly accusing minority non-Christians of discriminating against them, protesters offered this refrain: “It’s time the Christian majority stopped letting minorities push it around.”

To be sure, this agitation targeted so-called political correctness as much as secularism, properly defined. Still its intensity was noteworthy, and it merits our continued attention even though the winter holidays are past. We can expect to hear similar rhetoric all through 2005 as Christian conservatives defend intelligent design, school prayer, gay marriage bans, public Ten Commandments displays, God in the Pledge of Allegiance, and other “culture war” issues.

What’s really going on when majority Christians shout, “It’s time we stopped letting minorities push us around”?

To begin unpacking “We’re the majority,” I begin with an irreverent fable. I trust its relevance will shortly be clear:

Once upon a time, white Christian males dominated the American South. This majority arrogated to itself a stunning array of privileges, not least that of owning other humans and appropriating the fruits of their labor. For white Christian Southern males, especially those who owned plantations, life was sweet. But time passed, mores changed, and other Americans started thinking the life of white Christian Southern males might be too sweet. Increasingly, many of their privileges came to be recognized as illicit, improper, and morally repugnant.

And so it has happened that America spent the last hundred and eighty years, give or take a few, taking privileges away from white Christian Southern males – privileges which, unsurprisingly, said males viewed as their birthright.

One flashpoint came the early 1860s, when the rest of America took away white Christian Southern males’ privilege of owning other humans. That was such a big project, it took a civil war. White Christian Southern males bitterly resented this loss, and their reaction was, well, reactionary: they imposed Jim Crow laws, formed the Ku Klux Klan, established picture postcards of lynchings as a new folk art genre, and so on. The rest of America sort of looked the other way.

More time passed. Mores changed further. At last it dawned on the rest of America that the privileges white Christian Southern males had been allowed to hang onto were pretty noxious too. This occasioned another big project, though not quite another civil war. America spent the middle decades of the twentieth century taking away white Christian Southern males’ privileges to block African Americans from voting, to bar them from water fountains and lunch counters, to send their own children to all-white schools, to have the front of the bus to themselves, and on and on.

Did white Christian Southern males resent this? You bet. When they complained that their historical privileges were being taken away, were they speaking truth? Absolutely. So why did their, um, plight command so little public sympathy? The rest of America was confident that the privileges taken away from white Christian Southern males were privileges they never should have had in the first place. They were privileges, but never rights: they were illicit, and their removal was imperative to bring about a more just and equitable society.

Did white Christian Southern males ever shout, “we’re a majority and it’s time to stop letting a minority push us around”? Of course they did, time after time – but the rest of America had the wisdom to recognize this for the caterwauling of bigots bemoaning their loss of ill-gained favor.

Okay, end of fable. What insights can it offer us about present-day Christians’ complaints that their rights are being trampled to coddle the sensitivities of minorities?

Unsettling parallels connect the Southern whites of decades past and today’s majority Christians. Both groups enjoyed a former period of dominance during which they amassed privileges whose propriety would later come into question. So broad were the privileges acquired by majority Christians that they gave rise to de facto, and sometimes de jure, discrimination against all Americans who were not Christian. Those privileges included releasing students from public schools during class hours for religious education, ended by Supreme Court decisions in 1948 and 1952; compulsory teacher-led prayer and Bible reading, likewise ended in 1962 and 1963; and school-sanctioned prayer at public school graduations, likewise ended in 1992. Less formal privileges – say, harassing Jewish pupils by making them fasten the star to the top of the school Christmas tree – were largely abandoned by social consensus. But majority Christians retain many other historic privileges that are no less questionable: “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, “In God We Trust” on U.S. money, the National Day of Prayer, closing public schools and government offices on religious holidays (coming soon: Good Friday, for some reason a legal holiday in fourteen states), paid legislative chaplains – then there’s that presumptuous notion that all of America should close on December 25 while Christians hold their birthday party. (Of course, these are only partial lists.)

Majority Christians accurately foresee that their present-day privileges may one day go the way of teacher-led Bible reading. Just as Southern whites did after the Civil War, majority Christians are reacting in ways that are, well, reactionary. We’ve seen brazen efforts to create new categories of Christian privilege. Government funding for faith-based organizations has blossomed, based in part on the astonishing idea that government’s previous reluctance to fund faith groups (you know, the separation of church and state) amounted to state discrimination against religion. Attacks on teaching evolution and efforts to reinstate school prayer increasingly portray majority Christians as victims. And, of course, there was last year’s eagerness to turn back the clock on “Happy holidays.” Taken together, these initiatives could move the country back toward de facto discrimination against both the nonreligious and all those who are religious but not Christian.

Clearly, majority Christians are getting a lot of mileage out their claims of discrimination. So it’s time to ask some blunt questions.

Are majority Christians being discriminated against? No.

Are they being treated unfairly? No.

Is anyone trying to take their rights away from them? No.

But are majority Christians the targets of a reform movement that seeks to take privileges away from them? Emphatically yes. Many of those privileges are illicit, and their removal will help to bring about a more just and equitable society.

Like Southern whites in the Jim Crow years, today’s Christian Americans have been made to give up only some of the illicit privileges they accumulated in the past. The unfairness of the privileges they retain grows more odious with time, as the nation becomes more religiously diverse. “Judaeo-Christian” practices that seemed acceptable when Christians and Jews dominated debates over religion in public life are transparently unacceptable today, when Christians and Jews share the nation with atheists, agnostics, secular humanists, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, neopagans, and so on.

Majority Christians may object that some of these minorities are tiny. But limiting majority prerogative for the protection of minorities is a bedrock American principle; John Stuart Mill reminds us that tyranny of the majority is “more formidable than many kinds of political oppression.” That’s why we have a Constitution, after all.

In addition, some non-Christian minorities aren’t all that small. American Muslims may already outnumber American Jews, while the U.S. Buddhist and Hindu communities number around one million each. Then there’s the real elephant in the living room; The number of Americans with no religious preference (including secular humanists and atheists, but a lot of other folks besides) has doubled in the last ten years to 16 percent. That’s forty-seven million people, making “Nones” more numerous than any single faith group except Roman Catholics.

It’s also worth noting that in what Religious Right activists love to call “a Christian nation” and “the most devout industrialized country on Earth,” fully forty percent of the population belongs to no church, temple, synagogue, or mosque.

In closing, consider the words of, church-state separation attorney, Ronald A. Lindsay:

What is going on here is whining: whining by individuals and groups who have been deprived of the truly privileged position they once enjoyed. For most of this country’s history theism, in particular Christianity, has enjoyed favor. … The courts have put an end to some, but certainly not all, of this collaboration between church and state. In doing so, the courts have upset many who assumed that this was the proper way of doing things … and who did not see anything coercive, let alone unconstitutional, about such practices. Not unnaturally, they have interpreted the courts’ action as an attack on religion, when in reality they were simply an attempt to put an end to the privileged position that religion enjoyed.

--Raz edit--
Adding the following at the request of the copyright holder for the above quote:

"Discrimination Against Christians? Oh, Please" by Tom Flynn appeared in the
April-May 2005 issue of FREE INQUIRY, the bimonthly magazine of the Council for
Secular Humanism. (c) 2005 by the Council for Secular Humanism. The article is also available online at http://www.secularhumanism.org/libr.../flynn_25_3.htm"


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ANd may it continue down that path - less power to the majority, more power to the minorities. smile


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Saying "Happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" is completely and utterly stupid. That's great if you celebrate Kwanzaa or Hannukah, but I will still use Christmas instead. And I guarantee that there are a number of non-Christians who would say the same thing.

(Of course, I know that if this was a person who didn't celebrate Christmas telling people to say, "Happy holidays," almost the entire KMC population would support him.)


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Well but it looks like the Christians want to force other people not to say Happy Holidays, I think that is stupid, everyone shopulsd be allowed to say what they want if you want to say Happy Holuidays, surte do who cares.

But on the other hand saying more power to minorities is not right either, If the Christians are the majority they should have more power, as long as they treat minorities as equal and respect nthere rights. If more than 50 percent are Christian they pretty much can do what they wayn as long as the y stick to the laws.


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