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Something I've always wondered.....

Ok, so Satan is generally referred to as "The Prince Of Darkness".
Does this mean that he is secondary to the "King of Darkness"?
Would this refer to God Himself, or was there a devil who sired Satan?

Im just curious.


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Ok, so Satan is generally referred to as "The Prince Of Darkness".
Does this mean that he is secondary to the "King of Darkness"?
Would this refer to God Himself, or was there a devil who sired Satan?

Im just curious.


I think he was a prince because god was the king. He is known as the prince of darkness because he was cast of from heaven. There is no King of Darkness as far as I can tell. However Christian and Egyptian mythology are so confusing.


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Does it matter?

It's akin to arguing how many wings fairies have, or how long the horn is on a Unicorn, or do mermaids actually have legs... etc.

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Whats more interesting a question is this. If God is perfect and his creations are perfect, where did Satan come from? god couldnīt have made him surely.

But then again the free choice given to all could be the culprit but without it there can be no pefection, what a confusing situation.

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Whats more interesting a question is this. If God is perfect and his creations are perfect, where did Satan come from? god couldnīt have made him surely.

But then again the free choice given to all could be the culprit but without it there can be no pefection, what a confusing situation.


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However Christian and Egyptian mythology are so confusing.


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Satans supposed to just be an Angel who loved god more than all the others but when God told the Angels to kneel to mankind in love, Satan did not and thought himself higher and so God caste him out, thats how i heard the story goes


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Satans supposed to just be an Angel who loved god more than all the others but when God told the Angels to kneel to mankind in love, Satan did not and thought himself higher and so God caste him out, thats how i heard the story goes


But I thought it happened before man was created, but Christian and Egyptian mythology are so confusing. laughing


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Whats more interesting a question is this. If God is perfect and his creations are perfect, where did Satan come from? god couldnīt have made him surely.

But then again the free choice given to all could be the culprit but without it there can be no pefection, what a confusing situation.


I spoke of this in a previous thread about the Proof of the Bible and pointed out Mistakes. It depends on what denominational Bible you read when Lucifer fell from grace,but the point remains, Lucifer rebelled against God. What ever the motive. This would make God imperfect because the Bible explains that God created the Angles to worship him. Lucifer's rebellious attitude could not exist if God made him to worship.


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I think he was a prince because god was the king. He is known as the prince of darkness because he was cast of from heaven. There is no King of Darkness as far as I can tell. However Christian and Egyptian mythology are so confusing.


Actually I never thought of that like that! It sort of makes sense.


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I believe there are some teachings that state that Jesus and Satan are brothers.

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I liked the way that Milton told it, in Paradise Lost. That Satan was fighting for diplomacy in heaven. The fact that he is named the prince of darkness, and not the king is another example of hierarchy exhibited in organized religion.


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Hell is the state of mind. Some people are in that state of mind, and they unleash it on the people around them whenever they get the chance.


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Hell is the state of mind. Some people are in that state of mind, and they unleash it on the people around them whenever they get the chance.
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Re: Something I've always wondered.....

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Ok, so Satan is generally referred to as "The Prince Of Darkness".
Does this mean that he is secondary to the "King of Darkness"?
Would this refer to God Himself, or was there a devil who sired Satan?

Im just curious.


Its just a catchy nickname.


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Re: Something I've always wondered.....

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Ok, so Satan is generally referred to as "The Prince Of Darkness".
Does this mean that he is secondary to the "King of Darkness"?
Would this refer to God Himself, or was there a devil who sired Satan?

"King of Darkness" is implied as God Himself. This is an acknowledgment of the mystical aspect of God: That which can not be understood. "Darkness" is metaphor for the mysterium tremendum.


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Whats more interesting a question is this. If God is perfect and his creations are perfect, where did Satan come from? god couldnīt have made him surely.


The Bible never says anything about God being benevolent. The word perfect is stupid anyway


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Another question is if God is omnipotent, he'd of surely known of Satan's betrayal before it happened (?) It then stands to reason that had he known, Satan would have not have been given the power to do so.


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Far as I know, God is all powerful but not all knowing. The all knowing is a teaching from the Church ("God knows what you will do before you do it" - that sort of mess), not what is in the Bible.


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By all knowing you mean omniscience and what that means is the attribute of knowing all that can possibly be known, and to me that doesn't include the future or minds. Also God is omnipotent but chose to give us free will. That's just what I believe. Also the Bible and other Religions in fact all contradict eachother and themselves but I believe that to be the effect of one cause, they were all written by man.


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