Muhammad's religion under scrutiny

I have read book entitled "Islam in focus" written by Hammudah Abdalati who lived in canada, a renowned late Islamic scholar in North america. The life story of Muhammad began his peaceful propagation message with the arab tribal groups but later part of his life and revelations he became intolerant to arab tribal groups and the with christians and jews. During chaotic times and oppressions between tribal and religious groups in arabia and followers of Muhammad(muslims), He wen to wage war and commaded his muslim followers to kill the infidels until they believed in Allah, the god of Islam. He then became a successful religio-politcal leader in the arabia.

I happened to read a passage in that book which stated: ".... if there is any religion or constitution to guarantee peaceful freedom of religion and forbid compulsion in religion, it is Islam and islam alone..." as stated in early revelation of sura 2:256, “There is no compulsion in religion”. But for me this is not entirely true. In the latter revelation of Muhammad's life, this teaching is abrogated by later verses which state that Islam is to be “shown” to people of other faiths who, if they refuse to acknowledge, accept and follow it, are then are to be slain (suras 9:5, 47:5, and 8:39 among others) in which Muhammad became intolerant with others.

The book is biased because it does not touched upon the totality of Quran/Islam. Hence, we could see in the contemporary islamic law(shariah) and in many Islamic countries, only the religion of Islam was compelled to believe and any muslims who wish to leave(apostate) islam will be punished or beheaded.

Is Muhammad a religious saint or an intolerant political leader? Is islam a religion or a more political ideology?

just another religion thats out of date

Originally posted by mahasattva
I happened to read a passage in that book which stated: ".... if there is any religion or constitution to guarantee peaceful freedom of religion and forbid compulsion in religion, it is Islam and islam alone..." as stated in early revelation of sura 2:256, “There is no compulsion in religion”. But for me this is not entirely true. In the latter revelation of Muhammad's life, this teaching is abrogated by later verses which state that Islam is to be “shown” to people of other faiths who, if they refuse to acknowledge, accept and follow it, are then are to be slain (suras 9:5, 47:5, and 8:39 among others) in which Muhammad became intolerant with others.

The book is biased because it does not touched upon the totality of Quran/Islam. Hence, we could see in the contemporary islamic law(shariah) and in many Islamic countries, only the religion of Islam was compelled to believe and any muslims who wish to leave(apostate) islam will be punished or beheaded.

Is Muhammad a religious saint or an intolerant political leader? Is islam a religion or a more political ideology?

As opposed to mainstream Christianity that says even if a man never hears of Christ that same man must be placed in an eternal fire. Stoning was never condemned by Christ, he merely placed a requirement on the one doing the stoning.

The Bible is full of similar comments to one not of the Christian faith.

When you hold a mirror up to someone else hold it up to yourself. I do not know your religion, but I doubt I could not find statements that are off in yours as well.

The Islamic faith is a wonderful thing, it has many wonderful teachings. Interpretation by those with their own agendas in mind always distorts things. I cannot trust you in regards to the Nation of Islam.

Originally posted by mahasattva

Is Muhammad a religious saint or an intolerant political leader?

Of course he isn't a saint, because that's a Catholic concept. And it's argued and commonly believed that Muslims follow Moses more than they do Mohammed.

Originally posted by mahasattva
Is islam a religion or a more political ideology?

Both.

And it's argued and commonly believed that Muslims follow Moses more than they do Mohammed.

Originally posted by Regret
As opposed to mainstream Christianity that says even if a man never hears of Christ that same man must be placed in an eternal fire. Stoning was never condemned by Christ, he merely placed a requirement on the one doing the stoning.

The Bible is full of similar comments to one not of the Christian faith.

When you hold a mirror up to someone else hold it up to yourself. I do not know your religion, but I doubt I could not find statements that are off in yours as well.

The Islamic faith is a wonderful thing, it has many wonderful teachings. Interpretation by those with their own agendas in mind always distorts things. I cannot trust you in regards to the Nation of Islam.

what is wonderful in islam that Muhammad teaches about other religions?

what is wonderful in islam that Muhammad teaches about other religions?

Originally posted by anaconda
nothing wonderful in islam..........or any other religions, brainwashing of feeble minds thats what religion is all about ......all of them

Originally posted by anaconda
nothing wonderful in islam..........or any other religions, brainwashing of feeble minds thats what religion is all about ......all of them

u mean the dogmatic faith of the 3 abrahamic religions? what about eastern philosophies/religions

so now buddism is a religion? make up your mind about this ideology either it is or it aint a religion, still all philosophies are brainwashing mass suggession. follow this and that, does buddism advocate itself or do they have people out to "marketing it" if they do it is "brainwashing" if not , well it wouldn't attract attention so yes in the end brainwashing

u mean the dogmatic faith of the 3 abrahamic religions? what about eastern philosophies/religions

Originally posted by anaconda
nothing wonderful in islam..........or any other religions, brainwashing of feeble minds thats what religion is all about ......all of them

Yeah, because obviously its imposible for an intelligent person to seek religion and practice it entirely on his accord right? The billions of theists in the world clearly are the mind-zombies of guys in suits. 🙄

Originally posted by mahasattva
u mean the dogmatic faith of the 3 abrahamic religions? what about eastern philosophies/religions

That's a major complaint I have agianst the outspoken anti-religion Atheists. Dawkins, Hitchens this anacona vato fixate and focus their comtempt of "fairytales" on the Abrahamic religions. I wanna tap Hitchens on the shoulder and say "You know...this may come as a surprise, but uh....there's more than just three religions in the world." I have yet to hear Christopher Hitchens acknowledge the existence of Budddhism, Hinduism, Native American religions or any religion that doesn't involve Abraham.

Yeah, because obviously its imposible for an intelligent person to seek religion and practice it entirely on his accord right? The billions of theists in the world clearly are the mind-zombies of guys in suits.

Originally posted by anaconda
so now buddism is a religion? make up your mind about this ideology either it is or it aint a religion, still all philosophies are brainwashing mass suggession. follow this and that, does buddism advocate itself or do they have people out to "marketing it" if they do it is "brainwashing" if not , well it wouldn't attract attention so yes in the end brainwashing

These are basic principles what the Buddha teaches:

"Doubt everything and find your own light...."

"Don't believe in anything simply because you heard it.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
Do not believe in anything because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
But after observation and analysis, you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept and live up to it."

Buddhism is essentially nonauthoritarian, democratic, scientific and based on insights obtained primarily through individual efforts towards enlightenment or self-perfection. The community of Buddhists are mainly to encourage and mutual support to one another in faith as life are interconnected that support and nourish with all other things. It is also a practical of human spirit which is unity "many in body but one in mind" towards a common goal which selfless and altruistic behavior and not self-centered and egoistic existence...

Originally posted by anaconda
nothing wonderful in islam..........or any other religions, brainwashing of feeble minds thats what religion is all about ......all of them

Considering that there are thousands of different forms of Christianity alone a generalization like that is simply foolish.

Buddhism is essentially nonauthoritarian

Buddhism is essentially nonauthoritarian, democratic, scientific and based on insights obtained primarily through individual efforts towards enlightenment or self-perfection. The community of Buddhists are mainly to encourage and mutual support to one another in faith as life are interconnected that support and nourish with all other things. It is also a practical of human spirit which is unity "many in body but one in mind" towards a common goal which selfless and altruistic behavior and not self-centered and egoistic existence...

Originally posted by anaconda
nothing wonderful in islam..........or any other religions, brainwashing of feeble minds thats what religion is all about ......all of them

i......like you

Originally posted by anaconda
nothing wonderful in islam.....

Nothing? Why nothing? If you have your complaints about it because you don't like every single aspect about it, that's understandable, but why is nothing about Islam wonderful? Do you know enough about it to say something like that, or is everything you know about Islam based on what you see on the news?

Originally posted by anaconda
oh and Dalai Lama is what then

Believed to be an incarnation of the Buddha.

Originally posted by anaconda
oh and Dalai Lama is what then

so the temples are just for show then, the monks in their yellow and red sheets are what freaks or just buddhists in uniforms, and again Dailai Lama is what?

Dalai Lama is not only a religious leader but the head of political state in Tibet. I am not belong or associated with tibetan tradition. So, its not my position to speak on their culture.

Originally posted by mahasattva
These are basic principles what the Buddha teaches:

"Doubt everything and find your own light...."

"Don't believe in anything simply because you heard it.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
Do not believe in anything because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
But after observation and analysis, you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept and live up to it."

Buddhism is essentially nonauthoritarian, democratic, scientific and based on insights obtained primarily through individual efforts towards enlightenment or self-perfection. The community of Buddhists are mainly to encourage and mutual support to one another in faith as life are interconnected that support and nourish with all other things. It is also a practical of human spirit which is unity "many in body but one in mind" towards a common goal which selfless and altruistic behavior and not self-centered and egoistic existence...

Buddhism basically teaches the punk version of religion from your description here. Skepticism is just as brainwashing as solidarity.

Originally posted by mahasattva
what is wonderful in islam that Muhammad teaches about other religions?