KillerMovies - Movies That Matter!

REGISTER HERE TO JOIN IN! - It's easy and it's free!
Home » Community » General Discussion Forum » Religion Forum » god didn't create the universe

god didn't create the universe
Started by: The big EH

Forum Jump:
Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Pages (11): [1] 2 3 » ... Last »   Last Thread   Next Thread
Author
Thread
The big EH
proud to be Canadian

Gender: Male
Location: Canada EH

god didn't create the universe

i just had an apithany. i was watching dr. cox's commentary on Sunshine. th big bang happnned, god didn't create the universe. if there is a god, he was created by the big bang, born so evovled that he controls aspects of th universe. what do you think?


__________________

I have a plan

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 07:36 PM
The big EH is currently offline Click here to Send The big EH a Private Message Find more posts by The big EH Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Shakyamunison
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Gender: Male
Location: Southern Oregon, Looking at you.

Re: god didn't create the universe

quote: (post)
Originally posted by The big EH
i just had an apithany. i was watching dr. cox's commentary on Sunshine. th big bang happnned, god didn't create the universe. if there is a god, he was created by the big bang, born so evovled that he controls aspects of th universe. what do you think?


It was much later. Humans created the god of the bible. wink


__________________
I play guitar, sing & write songs. Listen to my music HERE.

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 07:37 PM
Shakyamunison is currently offline Click here to Send Shakyamunison a Private Message Find more posts by Shakyamunison Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Admiral Akbar
Senior Member

Gender: Male
Location: UnrealUniverse

Re: Re: god didn't create the universe

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It was much later. Humans created the god of the bible. wink


Co-signed.

You must realize that back then people needed an explanation of natural phenomena in the world. They had a somewhat limited scope of reality, the types of things that are rather easily explained now to them was mysticism, or divine power. Shaky is correct, Humans did create the Bible and God to explain these types of things.

Think about it this way, before monothiesm there was polytheism. People who believed in multiple gods were far more out of touch with reality than people who believe in a single god. What's the next step?


__________________

When the darkness comes, keep an eye on the light no matter how far away it seems.

Last edited by Admiral Akbar on Jan 31st, 2008 at 07:58 PM

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 07:52 PM
Admiral Akbar is currently offline Click here to Send Admiral Akbar a Private Message Find more posts by Admiral Akbar Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
DigiMark007
KMC GLC Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

"born so evolved" at the creation point of the universe?!

This is why a little science and an active imagination tinged with religious overtones is almost always a bad thing.

Anyway, nice theory. The universe created God, not the other way around. I could get behind something like that.


__________________

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 08:28 PM
DigiMark007 is currently offline Click here to Send DigiMark007 a Private Message Find more posts by DigiMark007 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Quiero Mota
Member Señor

Gender: Male
Location: The 623

Re: Re: Re: god didn't create the universe

quote: (post)
Originally posted by The big EH
i just had an apithany. i was watching dr. cox's commentary on Sunshine. th big bang happnned, god didn't create the universe. if there is a god, he was created by the big bang, born so evovled that he controls aspects of th universe. what do you think?


I think the line "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth" refers to the Big Bang.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
People who believed in multiple gods were far more out of touch with reality than people who believe in a single god.


Says who though? What makes a Hindu or a Navajo more out of touch with reality than a Christian or a Muslim?


__________________


Cardinal Country > Raider Nation

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 09:44 PM
Quiero Mota is currently offline Click here to Send Quiero Mota a Private Message Find more posts by Quiero Mota Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
inimalist
Don't Vote

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Canada

If you can accept a natural origin to the universe, why would you even need God?


__________________
Kalish Ibn Al Fewdawiiah Bin Noor

"Most books about science that are said to be written for the layman seek more to impress the reader . . . than to explain to him clearly and lucidly the elementary aims and methods"

- Einstein

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 09:46 PM
inimalist is online now! Click here to Send inimalist a Private Message Find more posts by inimalist Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Quiero Mota
Member Señor

Gender: Male
Location: The 623

quote: (post)
Originally posted by inimalist
If you can accept a natural origin to the universe, why would you even need God?


Because I believe God is natural and the two concepts are inseperable.


__________________


Cardinal Country > Raider Nation

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 09:47 PM
Quiero Mota is currently offline Click here to Send Quiero Mota a Private Message Find more posts by Quiero Mota Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
inimalist
Don't Vote

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Canada

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Because I believe God is natural and the two concepts are inseperable.


natural as in can be observed and measured like other natural phenomena?


__________________
Kalish Ibn Al Fewdawiiah Bin Noor

"Most books about science that are said to be written for the layman seek more to impress the reader . . . than to explain to him clearly and lucidly the elementary aims and methods"

- Einstein

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 09:48 PM
inimalist is online now! Click here to Send inimalist a Private Message Find more posts by inimalist Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Quiero Mota
Member Señor

Gender: Male
Location: The 623

quote: (post)
Originally posted by inimalist
natural as in can be observed and measured like other natural phenomena?


Natural, as in came into existense without a factory or a patent.


__________________


Cardinal Country > Raider Nation

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 09:48 PM
Quiero Mota is currently offline Click here to Send Quiero Mota a Private Message Find more posts by Quiero Mota Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Admiral Akbar
Senior Member

Gender: Male
Location: UnrealUniverse

Re: Re: Re: Re: god didn't create the universe

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think the line "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth" refers to the Big Bang.



Says who though? What makes a Hindu or a Navajo more out of touch with reality than a Christian or a Muslim?


Let me clarify, when I said multiple gods I meant Gods of Earth, Fire, Water, ect..In that case are you going to tell me that the idea of Thor- God of Lightning is on par with the idea of a God who created the universe?


__________________

When the darkness comes, keep an eye on the light no matter how far away it seems.

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 09:53 PM
Admiral Akbar is currently offline Click here to Send Admiral Akbar a Private Message Find more posts by Admiral Akbar Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
inimalist
Don't Vote

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Canada

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Natural, as in came into existense without a factory or a patent.


strange...

so something that is supernatural is really natural so long as human industry didn't create it (or, should I say human industry after the invention of factories or patents)?


__________________
Kalish Ibn Al Fewdawiiah Bin Noor

"Most books about science that are said to be written for the layman seek more to impress the reader . . . than to explain to him clearly and lucidly the elementary aims and methods"

- Einstein

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 09:53 PM
inimalist is online now! Click here to Send inimalist a Private Message Find more posts by inimalist Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Shakyamunison
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Gender: Male
Location: Southern Oregon, Looking at you.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Natural, as in came into existense without a factory or a patent.


But the god you are talking about would not match the biblical god.


__________________
I play guitar, sing & write songs. Listen to my music HERE.

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 09:56 PM
Shakyamunison is currently offline Click here to Send Shakyamunison a Private Message Find more posts by Shakyamunison Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Da Pittman
"Pitt Happens"

Gender: Male
Location: SPOON!!!!!

I don’t see God as being natural at all, all things “natural” come from something and is made of something.


__________________

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 09:57 PM
Da Pittman is currently offline Click here to Send Da Pittman a Private Message Find more posts by Da Pittman Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Shakyamunison
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Gender: Male
Location: Southern Oregon, Looking at you.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Da Pittman
I don’t see God as being natural at all, all things “natural” come from something and is made of something.


Remove all things, and what is left?


__________________
I play guitar, sing & write songs. Listen to my music HERE.

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 10:22 PM
Shakyamunison is currently offline Click here to Send Shakyamunison a Private Message Find more posts by Shakyamunison Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
chickenlover98
Loving Chickens

Gender: Male
Location: in your hen house

Re: Re: Re: god didn't create the universe

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Co-signed.

You must realize that back then people needed an explanation of natural phenomena in the world. They had a somewhat limited scope of reality, the types of things that are rather easily explained now to them was mysticism, or divine power. Shaky is correct, Humans did create the Bible and God to explain these types of things.

Think about it this way, before monothiesm there was polytheism. People who believed in multiple gods were far more out of touch with reality than people who believe in a single god. What's the next step?


ive actually stated this facta couple of times in other threads....but no one responds to it sad


__________________

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 10:32 PM
chickenlover98 is currently offline Click here to Send chickenlover98 a Private Message Find more posts by chickenlover98 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Zeal Ex Nihilo
Filled with N'Shamah

Gender: Male
Location:

quote: (post)
Originally posted by The big EH
i just had an apithany. i was watching dr. cox's commentary on Sunshine. th big bang happnned, god didn't create the universe. if there is a god, he was created by the big bang, born so evovled that he controls aspects of th universe. what do you think?

Dude, you're so d33p and 3dgy. How were you not discovered as a child prodigy?
quote: (post)
Originally posted by chickenlover98
ive actually stated this facta couple of times in other threads....but no one responds to it sad

Probably because nobody who believes really cares.


__________________
"His signature loud high-energy approach to pitching an array of products and beard has gained [Billy] Mays a substantial amount of recognition."

Youse got good writin', Wikipedia!

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 10:33 PM
Zeal Ex Nihilo is currently offline Click here to Send Zeal Ex Nihilo a Private Message Find more posts by Zeal Ex Nihilo Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Da Pittman
"Pitt Happens"

Gender: Male
Location: SPOON!!!!!

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Remove all things, and what is left?
An un-natural god?


__________________

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 10:34 PM
Da Pittman is currently offline Click here to Send Da Pittman a Private Message Find more posts by Da Pittman Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
chickenlover98
Loving Chickens

Gender: Male
Location: in your hen house

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Dude, you're so d33p and 3dgy. How were you not discovered as a child prodigy?

Probably because nobody who believes really cares.


it just struck me....your a douchebag.


__________________

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 10:36 PM
chickenlover98 is currently offline Click here to Send chickenlover98 a Private Message Find more posts by chickenlover98 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Shakyamunison
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Gender: Male
Location: Southern Oregon, Looking at you.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Da Pittman
An un-natural god?


No. What is left is the Mystic Law. But I was asking what you thought would be left. A natural god?


__________________
I play guitar, sing & write songs. Listen to my music HERE.

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 10:40 PM
Shakyamunison is currently offline Click here to Send Shakyamunison a Private Message Find more posts by Shakyamunison Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Da Pittman
"Pitt Happens"

Gender: Male
Location: SPOON!!!!!

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. What is left is the Mystic Law. But I was asking what you thought would be left. A natural god?
It was a bad joke stick out tongue

Since something can't be created from nothing then he couldn't create it therefore if he does exist he would have been created.


__________________

Old Post Jan 31st, 2008 10:49 PM
Da Pittman is currently offline Click here to Send Da Pittman a Private Message Find more posts by Da Pittman Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
All times are UTC. The time now is 11:21 PM.
Pages (11): [1] 2 3 » ... Last »   Last Thread   Next Thread

Home » Community » General Discussion Forum » Religion Forum » god didn't create the universe

Email this Page
Subscribe to this Thread
   Post New Thread  Post A Reply

Forum Jump:
Search by user:
 

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON

Text-only version
 

< - KillerMovies.com - Forum Archive - Forum Rules >


© Copyright 2000-2006, KillerMovies.com. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by: vBulletin, copyright ©2000-2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.