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Israeli ultra-Orthodox MP blames earthquakes on gays

religion is odd sometimes, but maybe he´s rightsmile


An Israeli MP has blamed parliament's tolerance of gays for earthquakes that have rocked the Holy Land recently.

Shlomo Benizri, of the ultra-Orthodox Jewish Shas Party, said the tremors had been caused by lawmaking that gave "legitimacy to sodomy".

...He called on lawmakers to stop "passing legislation on how to encourage homosexual activity in the state of Israel, which anyway brings about earthquakes".



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While I'm not sure we can directly connect the homosexual community to middle eastern earthquakes, low moral standards do invite the judgment of God. This judgment can sometimes take the form of various natural disasters.

Jesus said that as judgment day approaches, we will witness an increase in violence and various natural phenomena:

"Don't let anyone mislead you. For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Messiah.' They will lead many astray. And wars will break out near and far, but don't panic. Yes, these things must come, but the end won't follow immediately. The nations and kingdoms will proclaim war against each other, and there will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. But all this will be only the beginning of the horrors to come." [Matthew 24:4-8/NLT]

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Re: Israeli ultra-Orthodox MP blames earthquakes on gays

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An Israeli MP has blamed parliament's tolerance of gays for earthquakes that have rocked the Holy Land recently.

Shlomo Benizri, of the ultra-Orthodox Jewish Shas Party, said the tremors had been caused by lawmaking that gave "legitimacy to sodomy".

...He called on lawmakers to stop "passing legislation on how to encourage homosexual activity in the state of Israel, which anyway brings about earthquakes".



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To link natural disasters to a god is ignorance.


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Originally posted by Tim Rout
While I'm not sure we can directly connect the homosexual community to middle eastern earthquakes, low moral standards do invite the judgment of God. This judgment can sometimes take the form of various natural disasters.

Jesus said that as judgment day approaches, we will witness an increase in violence and various natural phenomena:

"Don't let anyone mislead you. For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Messiah.' They will lead many astray. And wars will break out near and far, but don't panic. Yes, these things must come, but the end won't follow immediately. The nations and kingdoms will proclaim war against each other, and there will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. But all this will be only the beginning of the horrors to come." [Matthew 24:4-8/NLT]


This guy has to be a troll of some sort. It's like you actively sought out an irrational religious opinion to endorse in this thread.

Anyway, try finding a causal link between behavior and natural forces first, or any historically confirmed occurrence of such an incident (besides fictions like Noah, which is actually prefigured in numerous religions prior to Christianity) then we'll talk.

Because otherwise, this is just bigotry against others based upon beliefs so outdated that they are silly and barbaric when viewed in a modern light.


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Are you sure it was that guy, and not a certain elderly, ultra-conservative pastor who lives in Topeka, Kansas?


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To link natural disasters to a god is ignorance.


Linking natural disasters to God is biblical [Deuteronomy 31:29].

Linking belief in the Bible to ignorance is typical of the lost [Psalm 119:156-158; 2 Timothy 4:3-5].

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Linking natural disasters to God is biblical [Deuteronomy 31:29].

Linking belief in the Bible to ignorance is typical of the lost [Psalm 119:156-158; 2 Timothy 4:3-5].


No one is persecuting you, but some people use the bible to persecute others.


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Unfortunately, we have quite a few of those types in America.

There's a fire, an earthquake or a kid skins his knee, "God did it because of the gays".


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Linking natural disasters to God is biblical [Deuteronomy 31:29].

Linking belief in the Bible to ignorance is typical of the lost [Psalm 119:156-158; 2 Timothy 4:3-5].


It's also moronic, asinine and out of date. I can understand how some bronze-age hut dweller would see everything as supernatural and think God did it. But now, we pretty much know why earthquakes happen, or why lighting strikes, so saying an earthquake was directly caused by God's very own hand and giving very specific reasons for God doing something is both pompous and insane. Who in the **** does he think he is, that he can even begin to fathom why God did something? Can you answer that?


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It's also moronic, asinine and out of date. I can understand how some bronze-age hut dweller would see everything as supernatural and think God did it. But now, we pretty much know why earthquakes happen, or why lighting strikes, so saying an earthquake was directly caused by God's very own hand and giving very specific reasons for God doing something is both pompous and insane. Who in the **** does he think he is, that he can even begin to fathom why God did something? Can you answer that?


We also know the mechanical failure that caused Colombia, but Fred Phelps said that God "smacked it out of the sky". And he chose astronauts because they failed to use their powerful public image to speak against gays.


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We also know the mechanical failure that caused Colombia, but Fred Phelps said that God "smacked it out of the sky". And he chose astronauts because they failed to use their powerful public image to speak against gays.


Just to be clear, you're just reporting this as more evidence of stuff like this, not attempting to justify it, right?


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I don't endorse what Phelps said, if that's what you're asking. I don't believe god had anything to do with the piece of styrofoam that knocked a hole in the fuselage.


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lol its always teh gays fault


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No one is persecuting you, but some people use the bible to persecute others.


Thank-you for your sensitivity in this matter. But don't worry. I wasn't feeling persecuted. smile

And yes, it is exceedingly sad to see how some people misuse the Bible to justify the persecution of others. History is replete with such abuses. When debating in this or any other environment, I do my best to aim at the proposition, not the person. I believe we should be accountable for what we do and say, which is why I use my real name online.

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That's very scientific.


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Thank-you for your sensitivity in this matter. But don't worry. I wasn't feeling persecuted. smile

And yes, it is exceedingly sad to see how some people misuse the Bible to justify the persecution of others. History is replete with such abuses. When debating in this or any other environment, I do my best to aim at the proposition, not the person. I believe we should be accountable for what we do and say, which is why I use my real name online.


I am so glad. Some people can get tweaked about how aggressive I can be. big grin


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Unfortunately, we have quite a few of those types in America.

There's a fire, an earthquake or a kid skins his knee, "God did it because of the gays".


I realize American evangelicals sometimes become preoccupied with their favorite sin -- whether it be homosexuality, abortion, drunk driving, or something else -- but as a Canadian evangelical who sits outside the ebb and flow of American politics, I nevertheless agree with my brothers and sisters that rebellion against God brings judgment.

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness...." [Romans 1:18/NIV]

When our governments make laws and engineer extraordinary "rights" that legalize evil, we can and should expect God to respond. That response might be immediate, or delayed. It might involve a natural disaster, or a disease, or economic adversity, or something else. While it is impossible to accurately predict how God will respond to sin, we can be sure that He will respond -- both temporally and eternally.

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Besides, everyone knows Poseidon causes earthquakes.


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That's very scientific.


If only his approach to religion was as scientific, he might actually make sense.

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I realize American evangelicals sometimes become preoccupied with their favorite sin -- whether it be homosexuality, abortion, drunk driving, or something else -- but as a Canadian evangelical who sits outside the ebb and flow of American politics, I nevertheless agree with my brothers and sisters that rebellion against God brings judgment..




Being Gay isn't a rebellion against God. That's absurd.


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