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challenge to all christians

prove that love can exist without chemicals and hormones. otherwise you admit god has some influence and is therefore not perfect


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computer model of the brain smile


Well, a complete and perfect working model would probable think it felt love, but I don't think that world prove or disprove a god. I don't think that the god of the bible has can show love. According to Christian mythology; god can only show his love through the blood of Jesus.

In that way of thinking, god would be incapable of showing love to the world. I guess, there are things that god cannot do.


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Well, a complete and perfect working model would probable think it felt love, but I don't think that world prove or disprove a god. I don't think that the god of the bible has can show love. According to Christian mythology; god can only show his love through the blood of Jesus.

In that way of thinking, god would be incapable of showing love to the world. I guess, there are things that god cannot do.
which proves my point


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which proves my point


You had a point? confused


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You had a point? confused
yup my point was that god is bullshit especially the one from the bible


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because THAT'S not unnecessarily abrasive...


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^^^^^
because THAT'S not unnecessarily abrasive...


Yay total disregard for NOMA! Happy Dance
wtf is noma


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prove that love can exist without chemicals and hormones. otherwise you admit god has some influence and is therefore not perfect


I'm a little slow here...what do chemicals and hormones have to do with the existence of God?

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Well, a complete and perfect working model would probable think it felt love, but I don't think that world prove or disprove a god. I don't think that the god of the bible has can show love. According to Christian mythology; god can only show his love through the blood of Jesus.

In that way of thinking, god would be incapable of showing love to the world. I guess, there are things that god cannot do.


Which Christian mythology do you refer to? As plenty of Christians on these forums have been quick to point out, there are significantly different views concerning God within the realms of Christianity.

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yup my point was that god is bullshit especially the one from the bible


A point you intend to prove using chemicals and hormones, if I understand you correctly.

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I'm a little slow here...what do chemicals and hormones have to do with the existence of God?



Which Christian mythology do you refer to? As plenty of Christians on these forums have been quick to point out, there are significantly different views concerning God within the realms of Christianity.



A point you intend to prove using chemicals and hormones, if I understand you correctly.
ok....im disproving the fact that the god of the bible is perfect. love is an imperfection caused by chemicals. im trying to prove that god cannot love people without chemicals, therefore being inherantly flawed


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...Which Christian mythology do you refer to? As plenty of Christians on these forums have been quick to point out, there are significantly different views concerning God within the realms of Christianity.
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The annoying type. wink











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Remember, you're not a Christian, you're a Mormon. laughing out loud wink


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Remember, you're not a Christian, you're a Mormon. laughing out loud wink


laughing

I lol'd.


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ok....im disproving the fact that the god of the bible is perfect. love is an imperfection caused by chemicals. im trying to prove that god cannot love people without chemicals, therefore being inherantly flawed


Oh I see! Now we're on common ground...I don't think the God of the commonly interpreted Bible exists anyway (the real one is a lot nicer) so even though I have to disagree with the "chemicals" part and the "imperfection" part, your main point is one that I'm totally rooting for!

On the other hand we could start talking about God according to my religion and suddenly my view would be completely different.

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ok....im disproving the fact that the god of the bible is perfect. love is an imperfection caused by chemicals. im trying to prove that god cannot love people without chemicals, therefore being inherantly flawed
How would you prove that God can not love without chemicals?


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prove that love can exist without chemicals and hormones. otherwise you admit god has some influence and is therefore not perfect
i believe in a higher being, and the limbic system near the corpus callosum of the brain influences our social behaviors (love in this instance) and our outerbody experiences.

i'll get more into that next time cuz it's really late^

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How would you prove that God can not love without chemicals?


and that's where i'll continue from later^


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I'm pretty sure that it is impossible to prove such a thing, as creating someone without the specific hormones is more than a tad difficult for our level of scientific advancement.

Also, this thread fails.


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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, a complete and perfect working model would probable think it felt love, but I don't think that world prove or disprove a god. I don't think that the god of the bible has can show love. According to Christian mythology; god can only show his love through the blood of Jesus.

In that way of thinking, god would be incapable of showing love to the world. I guess, there are things that god cannot do.


actually I was making a little joke. Having to copy the neural anatomy of the human brain on a computer to prove love would essential be the same as hormones or whatever. It, imho, would show that love is a neural chemical pattern of firing, rather than something that can exist without a physical or simulated system.

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love is an imperfection caused by chemicals.


This is grossly inaccurate. Love is not an imperfection, but an evolved reaction to social situations. It is adaptive and highly important to the human condition. It is also not caused by chemicals, especially in the way you are describing. Neurological function is highly resilient to reductionist views, and especially for something like love, it's causes will be based in developmental, social and cultural issues, and will not be caused by chemicals in the brain, but rather by the pattern of firing of neurons in certain regions as interpreted by higher cognitive areas based on past experience and expectation, added to genetic/automatic responses to the stimuli in a present situation where one feels love.

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I'm pretty sure that it is impossible to prove such a thing, as creating someone without the specific hormones is more than a tad difficult for our level of scientific advancement.

Also, this thread fails.


I actually agree. I also don't feel that, even if we could, it would say anything about the existence of God.


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actually I was making a little joke. Having to copy the neural anatomy of the human brain on a computer to prove love would essential be the same as hormones or whatever. It, imho, would show that love is a neural chemical pattern of firing, rather than something that can exist without a physical or simulated system...


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