Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Since it appears to be popular in this forum these days...rather than arguing for Moses existence, im just gonna go ahead and say "well Buddha didnt exist either then did he"Yes...we don't bother defending our beliefs when questioned anymore...just attack others...or so it seems 🙂
However, there is evidence beyond the writings of Buddha that he did exist. It is doubtful that he wrote the 80,000 sutras as claimed, but that really doesn't matter. Just like it doesn't really matter if Moses was a real person or not. We often get confused between the information within a story and the story. We think that fact and truth walk hand in hand, but that is not true. Even if Buddha did not exist, the teachings do exist.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, there is evidence beyond the writings of Buddha that he did exist. It is doubtful that he wrote the 80,000 sutras as claimed, but that really doesn't matter. Just like it doesn't really matter if Moses was a real person or not. We often get confused between the information within a story and the story. We think that fact and truth walk hand in hand, but that is not true. Even if Buddha did not exist, the teachings do exist.
Well, I could respond to that with reasoned debate or observation but instead...il just do the KMC convention.
All the evidence is faked, none of it exists so who cares.
(Obviously I don't believe that but I felt this was the sort of thread where we could all act like idiots)
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well, I could respond to that with reasoned debate or observation but instead...il just do the KMC convention.All the evidence is faked, none of it exists so who cares.
(Obviously I don't believe that but I felt this was the sort of thread where we could all act like idiots)
I don't believe I was acting like an idiot.
If you spend your time trying to prove that Moses or Buddha existed, you will not learn what they had to teach.
No, he was smokin.. It is the incense of the Temple.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, there is evidence beyond the writings of Buddha that he did exist. It is doubtful that he wrote the 80,000 sutras as claimed, but that really doesn't matter. Just like it doesn't really matter if Moses was a real person or not. We often get confused between the information within a story and the story. We think that fact and truth walk hand in hand, but that is not true. Even if Buddha did not exist, the teachings do exist.
Good response. Bet he didn't see that coming, the crybaby.
What is scary though, people not on drugs that do believe in magical fairytale stories... parting oceans, walking on water, talking bushes, staves turned into snakes, turning water into wine, withering trees with a thought etc.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gavbudha was actually a real dude, he wasn't a god either just a person who was very wise
Since it appears to be popular in this forum these days...rather than arguing for Moses existence, im just gonna go ahead and say "well Buddha didnt exist either then did he"Yes...we don't bother defending our beliefs when questioned anymore...just attack others...or so it seems 🙂
Shakya's point, and it's a good one, is that mistaking the history of the stories for the tenor of the stories is a flaw inherited by many people and traditions. Whether or not Buddha existed as it is handed down to us is irrelevant. The message matters. At that point, you don't have to agree with it, but at least the focus is in the right place. On the metaphor, the allegory, the whatever it is....but the meaning of the tales, not whether or not it actually happened.
Same with any religious figure, though unfortunately we in the Western world haven't embraced it as fully.
So I didn't see it as an attack on anyone or anything. Hopefully Gav understood that, because he seemed to become defensive when posed with the possibility that Moses is a fictitious figure.
Re: I'm sorry if this thread has been done, but Was Moses on Mushrooms?
Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
I heard that the area where Moses lived was bountiful in naturally growing hallucinogenic mushrooms. Could all this 'parting the Red Sea' business have been a mushroom trip?
If it was then The Egyptians got an OD.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonThere are many people who shared the same story as Moses.
Could have been, but most likely he never existed, and the story was compiled from older stories.
In chronological order:
Manou -- India
Minos -- Greece I think, or Middle East
Mises -- Maybe Greece or something
Moses -- Israel/Egypt