Those of the East are considered by many to be 'enlightened' compared with the 'Western' religious control-structures. This 'enlightenment' comes from the fact that the Eastern philosophies say everything is 'One' and that this 'world' is an illusion.
I say the same in terms of Oneness and the illusion, but after that we immediately part company. Most of the rest of it, I would suggest, is utter bollocks and every bit as controlling and misleading as the Christianity, Judaism and Islam over which the East claims spiritual superiority.
Everything may be 'One', but we are all unique expressions of the whole and that uniqueness is not designed to merge itself into some all-encompassing cocktail 'blob' of bland uniformity. This 'world' may be an illusion (like all the others) in terms of 'solid' physicality, but where the hell does it say that because it's an illusion you have to give your mind away to some befrocked bloody 'guru'??
I must have missed that clause in the contract: 'If you ever feel the need to free your mind, find a guru, give it to him, and henceforth believe that your mind is free even though you don't have one anymore'.
Damn the small print.
I have received many communications over the years from former members of the Eastern religions, sects and cults on which the 'New Age' is largely based. They have described the blatant manipulation and mind control designed to make them give away their own right to thought and action - 'Tell me what to do, guru, master, psychic, "living god on earth".'
'I am the 'embodiment of Kali', 'I am the incarnation of Krishna', 'I am the Living God on Earth'. No, you are either deluded or a scam artist, mate. We are ALL the sons and daughters of 'God', aspects of the Infinite One, and it is time we remembered that.
We are certainly not going to be helped in this awakening, or remembering, by worshipping gurus and masters who put themselves above everyone else, thus perpetuating the hierarchical nature of religion and the society that it represents - the very hierarchical structure that instigated the mass perception of being 'powerless little me'.
What utter crap it all is.
'Humans' - infinite consciousness incarnate - have allowed themselves to become so detached from their true all-powerful self that they still need to find a mummy or daddy long after their hormones have launched them into chemical and genetic adulthood.
So many remain mental, emotional and spiritual babies looking for guidance from 'they who know best'. It is extraordinary to see 'disciples' leave one sect when the guru has been exposed as a fraud only to find another of similar nature because the need in them to worship and be led is so deep and ingrained.
The why is simple to explain: You don't become 'unpossessed' just by leaving the guru who arranged your possession.
What is a common theme in all this? The desire on the part of the follower or devotee to find a 'saviour' to tell them what to do and think. It's the same in all the religions, sects and cults, and true, too, of the relationship between most people and governments and the authorities in general.
'Humans' - infinite consciousness incarnate - have allowed themselves to become so detached from their true all-powerful self that they still need to find a mummy or daddy long after their hormones have launched them into chemical and genetic adulthood.
So many remain mental, emotional and spiritual babies looking for guidance from 'they who know best'. It is extraordinary to see 'disciples' leave one sect when the guru has been exposed as a fraud only to find another of similar nature because the need in them to worship and be led is so deep and ingrained.
The why is simple to explain: You don't become 'unpossessed' just by leaving the guru who arranged your possession.
How to avoid this possession is straightforward, also. Don't worship anything or anyone, for you are already infinite consciousness and so there is nothing to worship. Respect others and what they do by all means, but give the worship and devotion stuff a real large smack of the elbow.
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Anyone who seeks worship or religious devotion is suspect from the get-go, or gecko, from where I am sitting. Why does anyone want others to 'look up' to them? Because there is either a scam in play or they are so emotionally insecure that they need the worship of others to overcome their inability to find their security within - the very inner-security that they say their followers can find through them!
You often see this trait in 'celebrities' who crave adoration for the same reason, but it's an emotional disease of many 'gurus' and 'holy men', too.
To listen to what these people are saying and picking and choosing what feels right or otherwise is one thing. But worship and devotion is quite another. It's not about finding 'enlightenment', it's just a very powerful form of mind control.
How ironic that the mainstream media often refers to me as a 'guru' as they look at everything through their pigeon-hole minds, and they ask how many 'followers' I have. My answer is always the same: 'None, I hope. If I have one follower or devotee then they have not been listening'.
If people want to respect what I am doing, that's great, thank-you, much appreciated. But 'followers' 'devotees', 'believers'? Give me a bloody break. Here's some information, make of it what you will, end of story.
The world is drowning in a tidal wave of followers and followed. Enough. We need to take our minds back and stop our energy being vampired by those who seek to enslave us.
That means taking OUR minds back - not swapping them for someone else's.
Much of Eastern thought is misrepresented in that article as presenting it as entirely a hierarchical structure of followers and leaders. All one needs is a copy of the Tao Te Ching or the precepts and tenets of Buddhism to practice and learn from its teachings...gurus and masters don't enter into the equation, and if they are, generally just guide someone rather than command them. By that definition of leader/follower, we should never take someone's advice or go to school. I'm sure most who follow an eastern path can support this with anecdotal evidence as well.
Being one's own self, and determining one's path and beliefs rather than being given them by someone else is a noble goal. So in so far as the pasted article espouses such thinking, I agree. But not much else.
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I actually read the whole thing.
I sometimes have a distaste for religion in general so I can sympathize with his perspective. Sometimes, I wish there was no such thing as religion in anyway shape or form and the word "atheism" would not longer be used. (We wouldn't have a concept of "theism" so, therefore, we wouldn't have a concept such as "atheism".)
religion is just stories that orignated from the stars, this is true for all of them, the only reason people today believe jesus is real is because the government at the time relised wat a powerful tool it is, and look how well it worked for over 1600 years the government had total control over its people and christanity was law
David Iche has some intersting points, I'll say that.
As for god..........I do believe we should not worship anything....why should we? Would a grand thing get angry with us? Oh, yeah, that is what the imaginary hell is fore.
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lol, anything wrong with religion is 5x worse with icke
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"Most books about science that are said to be written for the layman seek more to impress the reader . . . than to explain to him clearly and lucidly the elementary aims and methods"
Problem there deano, is that if you never listen to anyone else's ideas (some of which can be well thought out) and you only come up with your own ideas, chances are most of yours are going to be very, very wrong. Listening to an intellectual position isn't the same as accepting it. You have the skeptical part down pat, which is good because being critical is good. But you've taken it a step too far into cynicism where apparently any thought that isn't original is a blasphemy against individuality.
Skakya isn't pretending to be a master....just someone with a different viewpoint.
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