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What's the point of proving or disproving the existence of God?

I totally get that some people think religion is bogus and some don't, but why make a point to prove or disprove the existence of God?

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Because both sides are so terrified that they're wrong that they'll do anything to get validation.

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Because you'd like to know for sure. And a real proof, for either side, would certainly help further their own agenda.

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because both sides are so terrified that they're wrong that they'll do anything to get validation.

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Originally posted by Bardock42
Because you'd like to know for sure. And a real proof, for either side, would certainly help further their own agenda.

I don't think I agree with you guys. 'Faith' allows people to believe or disbelieve what they want. I can see what both of you are saying, but what is so important about being right, being right in an argument about the validity of God's existence?

I know of too many people who have been left hopeless because of the loss of a loved one, a sexual assault, natural disasters, and the only thing that helped them to get back on their feet was because they have, or they believe they have God with them. So why disprove religion and/or God if it is so important to so many people who simply need to have God in their life in order to cope?

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I don't think I agree with you guys. 'Faith' allows people to believe or disbelieve what they want. I can see what both of you are saying, but what is so important about being right, being right in an argument about the validity of God's existence?

I know of too many people who have been left hopeless because of the loss of a loved one, a sexual assault, natural disasters, and the only thing that helped them to get back on their feet was because they have, or they believe they have God with them. So why disprove religion and/or God if it is so important to so many people who simply need to have God in their life in order to cope?

Well, I don't know if it's an agree thing. I am pretty sure that that's the reason why people want it. Whether it's a good reason, I don't know.

I think there are good things about Religion, but since they, imo, are mostly for those that belief, I personally mostly see and feel for the bad. I am biased being basically an atheist, still.

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I don't think I agree with you guys. 'Faith' allows people to believe or disbelieve what they want. I can see what both of you are saying, but what is so important about being right, being right in an argument about the validity of God's existence?

People like to be right. Especially, atheists.

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I know of too many people who have been left hopeless because of the loss of a loved one, a sexual assault, natural disasters, and the only thing that helped them to get back on their feet was because they have, or they believe they have God with them. So why disprove religion and/or God if it is so important to so many people who simply need to have God in their life in order to cope?

Because a lot of atheists focus on just one aspect of religion and/or can't understand that people feel a need for God.

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Oct 28th, 2008 09:45 PM

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People like to be right. Especially, atheists.

I think people like to be right, whether they are an atheist or not.

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What's the point of proving or disproving the existence of God?

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I totally get that some people think religion is bogus and some don't, but why make a point to prove or disprove the existence of God?

There are strong emotions involved, there are belief systems at stake, as well as plain ol' egotism. But I think, mostly, that people make the effort, one way or the other, because we are drawn to mystery, and this is the granddaddy of them all.

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wow, this topic is meta

I'd question questioning what people want to spend their time debating, but for the obvious hypocrisy

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Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
I don't think I agree with you guys. 'Faith' allows people to believe or disbelieve what they want. I can see what both of you are saying, but what is so important about being right, being right in an argument about the validity of God's existence?

I know of too many people who have been left hopeless because of the loss of a loved one, a sexual assault, natural disasters, and the only thing that helped them to get back on their feet was because they have, or they believe they have God with them. So why disprove religion and/or God if it is so important to so many people who simply need to have God in their life in order to cope?

Who the hell has faith that God doesn't exist?

Atheism and skepticism has nothing to do with faith.

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Because both sides are so terrified that they're wrong that they'll do anything to get validation.

Yep.

Not the fact that I believe religion is poison, it's because I'm scared I devoted my life to...nothing.

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Who the hell has faith that God doesn't exist?

Atheism and skepticism has nothing to do with faith.

Yep.

Not the fact that I believe religion is poison, it's because I'm scared I devoted my life to...nothing.

It does unless you know for a fact God didn't exist.

Also, we have to remember that for a long time no one had to put faith in God's existence because they knew he was real- they could see him...the sun. They could hear his anger...thunder and lightning. ETC.

So religion and faith are not codependent. Each can survive and be productive without the other.

Why do people debate it?

Because:
Theists need to prove to themselves their faith is not misplaced.
Atheists need to prove to themselves that their faith is not misplaced.

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It does unless you know for a fact God didn't exist.

I've said this too many times.

In order for something to be true, it has to follow the three rules.

1. credible evidence
2. follows logic
3. doesn't contradict other truths

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Also, we have to remember that for a long time no one had to put faith in God's existence because they knew he was real- they could see him...the sun. They could hear his anger...thunder and lightning. ETC.

They're called lies.

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So religion and faith are not codependent. Each can survive and be productive without the other.

Why do people debate it?

Because:
Theists need to prove to themselves their faith is not misplaced.
Atheists need to prove to themselves that their faith is not misplaced.

No. Atheists debate to rid the world of believers of the faith.

It's frustrating people don't realise this.

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Re: What's the point of proving or disproving the existence of God?

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I totally get that some people think religion is bogus and some don't, but why make a point to prove or disprove the existence of God?

Enlarge egos and pride in themselves. There is also a supremacy issues...notice they refer to others as "stupid" or "lacking reasoning"

They don't care...they just want to have the last word.

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I've said this too many times.

In order for something to be true, it has to follow the three rules.

1. credible evidence
2. follows logic
3. doesn't contradict other truths

OK...there goes gravity.

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They're called lies.

Doesn't matter in anyway if the belief was right or not...they held God's existence as a matter of fact, not a matter of faith.

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No. Atheists debate to rid the world of believers of the faith.

It's frustrating people don't realise this.

Do they? I can think of one or two atheists on these forums to dont have some childish agenda like the one you put forward- again I am correct.

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Debunking a misconception:

A transcendent God isn't falsifiable. So no one, atheists included, try to "disprove" him/her/it. Statements and predictions made by earthly religions, as well as supposed paranormal phenomenon, however, are falsifiable. Gotta stick to what remains logical.

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Debunking a misconception:

A transcendent God isn't falsifiable. So no one, atheists included, try to "disprove" him/her/it. Statements and predictions made by earthly religions, as well as supposed paranormal phenomenon, however, are falsifiable. Gotta stick to what remains logical.

I think your wrong...

XYZ is an atheist and his stated aim is to disprove God.

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I think your wrong...

XYZ is an atheist and his stated aim is to disprove God.

"you're" ... and xyz is not representative of atheists.

Well, at least not intellectual, informed atheists.

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"you're" ... and xyz is not representative of atheists.

Well, at least not intellectual, informed atheists.

Oops,

Thanks...anyway he is still an atheist- so to say atheists do not try and disprove isnt taking into account that some of them do...

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Oops,

Thanks...anyway he is still an atheist- so to say atheists do not try and disprove isnt taking into account that some of them do...

True.

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Originally posted by lord xyz
Who the hell has faith that God doesn't exist?

Atheism and skepticism has nothing to do with faith.

Yep.

Not the fact that I believe religion is poison, it's because I'm scared I devoted my life to...nothing.

How can Atheism and skepticism have NOTHING to do with faith?

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