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Whatever you hold true on Earth i shall hold true in Heaven.

So, what do you think this means? Does this pertain only to Christians? If we believe that there is no God does that mean god has to commit suicide?


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So, what do you think this means? Does this pertain only to Christians? If we believe that there is no God does that mean god has to commit suicide?
That would mean that if I hold true that God doesn't exist then he must not exist in heaven? messed


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It means the Pope is infallible.


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That would mean that if I hold true that God doesn't exist then he must not exist in heaven? messed


No, it means that if Paul holds true that God doesn't exist then God will deny his own existence.


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So the pope controls God?


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So the pope controls God?


No, it means God will uphold the Pope's teachings on Earth. However, the Pope is guided by God and if a Pope was going to do something God did not want he would never have ascended to the Papacy.


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No, it means God will uphold the Pope's teachings on Earth. However, the Pope is guided by God and if a Pope was going to do something God did not want he would never have ascended to the Papacy.

What if he changed his mind after becoming pope?


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So, what do you think this means? Does this pertain only to Christians? If we believe that there is no God does that mean god has to commit suicide?


It is the giving of authority to the church. However, if you don't believe in a god (any of them), then this authority is imaginary.


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What if he changed his mind after becoming pope?


The Christian god would kill him.


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No, it means God will uphold the Pope's teachings on Earth. However, the Pope is guided by God and if a Pope was going to do something God did not want he would never have ascended to the Papacy.
God didn't elect him as the Pope, it was Cardinals in the Church that did that are all subject to human flaws just like the rest of us. Greed, the hunger for power and what else is so honored but being the Pope. This is not some divine process but just as any other election needing votes from others so if they don't like you then you don't get their vote.


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The Christian god would kill him.

But doesn't the Christian God have to uphold the Pope's will on Earth according to this?


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But doesn't the Christian God have to uphold the Pope's will on Earth according to this?


Remember the OT god? God can be a dick when he wants to be.


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Remember the OT god? God can be a dick when he wants to be.

Remember Church history? The Pope can be a bigger one.


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Remember Church history? The Pope can be a bigger one.


Humans has an excuse. wink


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The Pope is a man. Elected by other man. To control other men. Anything this geriatric says God him told is just old age catching up with. And to hold several billion in care for "God".


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God didn't elect him as the Pope, it was Cardinals in the Church that did that are all subject to human flaws just like the rest of us. Greed, the hunger for power and what else is so honored but being the Pope. This is not some divine process but just as any other election needing votes from others so if they don't like you then you don't get their vote.


Yeah, but the outcome is always what God would want.

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But doesn't the Christian God have to uphold the Pope's will on Earth according to this?

Well, when the Pope makes a proclamation on faith and morals God will uphold it...but the Pope can't make proclamations if he's been struck by lightning.


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So, what do you think this means? ... If we believe that there is no God does that mean god has to commit suicide?
Man is God negating Himself. smokin'


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Remember the OT god? God can be a dick when he wants to be.


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Re: Whatever you hold true on Earth i shall hold true in Heaven.

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So, what do you think this means? Does this pertain only to Christians? If we believe that there is no God does that mean god has to commit suicide?


Probably what you believe is what you get when you die, on the your create your own reality road. Similiar to what some new age folk believe.

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It means if it's a party down here, it'll be a party up there.

Woo! Party at my place Pittman's!


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