Man: The Flawed Design of God

If God is all powerful, all knowing, omnipitent, and all the omni's...why is man flawed?

God creates man in his own image, tells man to belive in him, finds out man doesnt belive in him, kills man off with flood which leaves 6 people and then basically leaves us to it for the better part of 2000 years(ish).

If God knew that Man was flawed why did he not make us perfect in the first place? Does he want us to suffer, like a child with an ant under a magnifying glass or does God not exsist and man made it where he is today of his own making?

Trying to decipher God's motivation is a wonderful way to generate paradoxes. Best I can offer you is, "God" likes to play hide-and-go-seek, but "He" can only play by Himself (since, of course, there is nothing else). So, in order to make it work, God makes part of Himself virtually oblivious to the rest. Now He can play.

Originally posted by Beliver
Does he want us to suffer, like a child with an ant under a magnifying glass or does God not exsist and man made it where he is today of his own making?

False dichotomy.

Originally posted by Mindship
Trying to decipher God's motivation is a wonderful way to generate paradoxes. Best I can offer you is, "God" likes to play hide-and-go-seek, but "He" can only play by Himself (since, of course, there is nothing else). So, in order to make it work, God makes part of Himself virtually oblivious to the rest. Now He can play.

👆 Sounds more like humans to me. 😉

Because God is not man.

Even if we were supposedly 'created in his image', there's a huge difference between God and man.

Originally posted by Beliver
If God is all powerful, all knowing, omnipitent, and all the omni's...why is man flawed?

If God knew that Man was flawed why did he not make us perfect in the first place? Does he want us to suffer.

An is flawed because of free will. Or freedom of choice.

And according to the story God did make us perfect in the first place. He also gave us our own self-control over our minds and bodies rather than control us like mindless puppets.

As the bible tells it, we were once perfect - immortal, no feelings of shame, but no knowledge of anything.

But I guess they did have curiosity, because Adam and Eve made it so that we have free will once they broke The Rule.

[am agnostic, but was avid bible learner/studier of theology and so thinks knows a lot about what bible says and what it's supposed to stand for.]

^what it says, sure, what it STANDS for , thats any1 guess. the bible is al about projection or transmition of cultural dogma, actually ALL relegions are like that.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^what it says, sure, what it STANDS for , thats any1 guess. the bible is al about projection or transmition of cultural dogma, actually ALL relegions are like that.

All beliefs that people consider important are like that.

^i dunno about that, what about the beleif in looking at evidence before reaching a justified conclusion.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^i dunno about that, what about the beleif in looking at evidence before reaching a justified conclusion.

You're making a silly comparison.

The belief in said facts is upheld by something firm. Faith is not; it comes straight from the heart. Huge difference.

EDIT: I'm not exactly sure if that's what you were comparing in retrospect, I think the poster that you replied to was.

^how so? he said all BELEIFS that people consider important are like that. he didnt specifically say FAITH.

True enough, I edited my previous post.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^i dunno about that, what about the beleif in looking at evidence before reaching a justified conclusion.

Okay, not all. Though the difference between all and all except for one is meaninglessly trivial.

However virtually all ways of deciding what is good evidence and what those conculsion would be fall into the same area of eventually forcing ones own beliefs on others due to sheer, blind conviction.

Christians believe God knows we were going to sin when he created us.

What a ****ing sadist.

God is omnipotent so he could theoretically make mankind perfect and still allow for free will. Thus there are only two conclusions, either God isn't omnipotent and therefore not worthy of worship or God is an evil tyrant and not worthy of worship.

C wat I did ther.

Originally posted by Nephthys
God is omnipotent so he could theoretically make mankind perfect and still allow for free will. Thus there are only two conclusions, either God isn't omnipotent and therefore not worthy of worship or God is an evil tyrant and not worthy of worship.

C wat I did ther.

Created a false dichotomy, pretended that a subjective opinion was objective and then acted as though you were some how not an idiot?

So God created us perfect but forgot about free will which lead to Mans fall from grace and lead to us being exiled from paradise. It didn't help that he put a tree in paradise with forbidden fruit and a talking snake. Surely if he is all knowing he would of gotten rid of the pesky snake and planted a nice herb bush instead.

Um if the big cheese is as all powerful as described then isn't the tale of Mans fall evidence of Gods failure. And if he can fail then he is not infailable.

This all hinges on whether he actually exsists. We only have a 2000 year old book and alot of dogma to go on. Oh and the fact that the human species couldn't of come from just 2 people who shared a genetic code (brother + sister).

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^what it says, sure, what it STANDS for , thats any1 guess. the bible is al about projection or transmition of cultural dogma, actually ALL relegions are like that.

I want to know if god uses terms like "any1"

I thought God did create us perfect with free will, hence they ate the apple.