I'd imagine mental illness is more relevant to the origins of the bible than drugs are. Christianity, with the exception maybe of incense and wine, isn't an existential religion. South American mysticism, Asian mysticism, those things have clear connections between substance and divinity, Christianity does not.
There are some sects where usage of psychedelic drugs has been incorporated from these types of influences, but if a particular substance were of importance for Christian religious experience, I imagine it would be exalted much like the ingredients for an Ayahuasca are by native south and central americans.
Originally posted by inimalist
I'd imagine mental illness is more relevant to the origins of the bible than drugs are. Christianity, with the exception maybe of incense and wine, isn't an existential religion. South American mysticism, Asian mysticism, those things have clear connections between substance and divinity, Christianity does not.There are some sects where usage of psychedelic drugs has been incorporated from these types of influences, but if a particular substance were of importance for Christian religious experience, I imagine it would be exalted much like the ingredients for an Ayahuasca are by native south and central americans.
Wait, existentialism is about getting yourself to an altered state of conciousness? I thought it was "the ordering a reason of all things can be known and understood" or something.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wait, existentialism is about getting yourself to an altered state of conciousness? I thought it was "the ordering a reason of all things can be known and understood" or something.
my understanding is that it deals with the human experience, but I'm totally not familiar with it.
I couldn't think of a better term, and "mystic" isn't really what I was going for, more like, faiths that believe divinity is attained through objects or substances rather than through action, blah, even that doesn't sound right.
Like, to reach God, one prays and speaks, but there is no necessity of a subjective "experiencing" through substances, like is seen with, in my opinion, spirituality centered around psychedelic substances.
Different faiths, but same idea: I had a Muslim friend once tell me that Mohammed said marijuana was ok in the Quran. I tried to look it up and found people debating it on the internet. The majority opinion (in a totally non-representative sample) was that it would be insulting to God to attempt to commune with him while intoxicated. Whereas spirituality that focuses on hallucinogenic experiences requires substances (or some form of deliberate mind alteration [to differentiate it from the social, passive, "mind altering" in some religious experiences, see faith healing]) to reach the divine.
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Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
We can ofcourse entertain the possibility that it is...true.
Hey, so just out of curiousity, in your opinion would God have a problem with someone who was sincerely praying while intoxicated?
would it matter what substance or anything like that? degree of intoxication?
Originally posted by inimalist
blah, missed the editHey, so just out of curiousity, in your opinion would God have a problem with someone who was sincerely praying while intoxicated?
would it matter what substance or anything like that? degree of intoxication?
Why would being intoxicated matter to God if the prayer was sincere?