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Question Are atheists afraid of judgement?

I'm a christian who believes in the Bible and it's command not to judge others. I won't judge people's souls but I do wonder about their minds. I can't comprehend why people find the idea of a creator hard to believe when we have such order (apart from suffering caused by humans) in the universe from atoms to galaxies. Science can't be applied to God but faith is what I'm discussing. Believing in God means that you believe we have a greater purpose than just survival. If you believe that there is no God there is no higher purpose for anything.

Saying that there is no God suggests that there is no right and wrong except what we define as right and wrong, so it is a strong statement indeed. It suggests that we should not fear judgement.

What prevents people from believing that were created with power and responsibility on purpose? Is it fear of being judged by the Creator? If that's not it I'd like to know what other possible reasons there are.


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I can't comprehend why people find the idea of a creator hard to believe when we have such order (apart from suffering caused by humans) in the universe from atoms to galaxies.


People have told you dozens of times. At the very least you must be familiar with the arguments.

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If you believe that there is no God there is no higher purpose for anything.


Why?

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Saying that there is no God suggests that there is no right and wrong except what we define as right and wrong.


Why?

And further how would that really different from the Divine Command Theory which says there is no right and wrong except what we are told is right and wrong?


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Saying that there is no God suggests that there is no right and wrong except what we define as right and wrong, so it is a strong statement indeed. It suggests that we should not fear judgement.
Bingo.


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Saying that there is no God suggests that there is no right and wrong except what we define as right and wrong, so it is a strong statement indeed. It suggests that we should not fear judgement.

Whereas in christianity, right and wrong is what God defines as right and wrong. I really don't see the difference.


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I personally like Kant's idea on morality's origin.

He believed in a God but believed that God wasn't the Ultimate Source of morality, rather that God was good because He acted morally.


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I personally like Kant's idea on morality's origin.

He believed in a God but believed that God wasn't the Ultimate Source of morality, rather that God was good because He acted morally.


And, coincidentally I'm sure, he and God agreed on everything. The categorical imperative is one of my favorite moral theories but I don't like the way Kant used it so much.


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If I were them I would be.

No, if you were them you wouldn't believe in God after all.


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That is true but I would see when I die that I was wrong so then it would be late.


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That is true but I would see when I die that I was wrong so then it would be late.


Perhaps God, being kind, will allow you a do-over. Or to repent after death.


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That is true but I would see when I die that I was wrong so then it would be late.

Unless they're right.


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And, coincidentally I'm sure, he and God agreed on everything. The categorical imperative is one of my favorite moral theories but I don't like the way Kant used it so much.

Well God did make Kant in His image. stick out tongue


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Well God did make Kant in His image. stick out tongue


Really? I though he made Adam before Eve.

O-ho-ho, I'm so naughty.


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Really? I though he made Adam before Eve.

O-ho-ho, I'm so naughty.

I see what you did there.


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I bet you could sell that as a bit.


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doesn't god forgive though.


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I'm a christian who believes in the Bible and it's command not to judge others. I won't judge people's souls but I do wonder about their minds. I can't comprehend why people find the idea of a creator hard to believe when we have such order (apart from suffering caused by humans) in the universe from atoms to galaxies. Science can't be applied to God but faith is what I'm discussing. Believing in God means that you believe we have a greater purpose than just survival. If you believe that there is no God there is no higher purpose for anything.

Saying that there is no God suggests that there is no right and wrong except what we define as right and wrong, so it is a strong statement indeed. It suggests that we should not fear judgement.

What prevents people from believing that were created with power and responsibility on purpose? Is it fear of being judged by the Creator? If that's not it I'd like to know what other possible reasons there are.



...just another person who can't comprehend how a person can have purpose and morality without God. A limited, insulated view. Not only is it possible, but it's easy. I don't feel a need to explain to you the myriad ways in which it is possible, because without an intrinsic understanding of how natural and simple it is, it would be like trying to explain a foreign language to a child who doesn't even know that other countries or languages exist.

But to answer the titular question, I doubt any atheist fears judgment. Why would they?


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What prevents people from believing that were created with power and responsibility on purpose? Is it fear of being judged by the Creator? If that's not it I'd like to know what other possible reasons there are.


a lack of even remotely convincing evidence


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a lack of even remotely convincing evidence


Yes, and that. Most atheists aren't as they are because of any fear-based or indeed emotion-based motivation. For me it's a purely intellectual decision. There's no reason whatsoever to believe in any God, let alone the Christian one.


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Why would an atheist be afraid of a being that they do not believe in? It's like being afraid of the boogity man.


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