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Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

I think that Adam, not being deceived, was more culpable than Eve.

Why then did God favor the guiltiest, Adam, with, --- he shall rule over you?

Men rule over women? Why when men were not deceived but disobeyed?

What was the transgression, --- if not a wise decision to choose knowledge and wisdom and shun immortality of the flesh, --- even if that were possible, --- and why was Adan not punished as hard as Eve when he was clearly more guilty?

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Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

I think that Adam, not being deceived, was more culpable than Eve.

Why then did God favor the guiltiest, Adam, with, --- he shall rule over you?

Men rule over women? Why when men were not deceived but disobeyed?

What was the transgression, --- if not a wise decision to choose knowledge and wisdom and shun immortality of the flesh, --- even if that were possible, --- and why was Adan not punished as hard as Eve when he was clearly more guilty?

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Because the people who constructed the religion and wrote the bible were men who wanted to control women. The story of Adam and Eve is just mythology, but how that mythology was interpreted makes all the difference.


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Aside from the mythology part, the above is pretty accurate.
The Bible was written by men.
Who's to say if and how Adam was punished?


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He wasn't exempt. Banishment from Eden and subsequently death were the most severe punishments that God handed out, and Adam suffered both of them as much as Eve did.


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Good point, though Eve (and by extension, women) was the one getting all the bad press. And bleeding once a month out of her most intimate of places.
Adam/men seem to be suffering for sins that weren't his/our fault.


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Re: Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

Here you go:

17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.

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It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.

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By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

(Genesis 3:17-19)


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Yup, it was all the woman's fault. Not.


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Aside from the mythology part, the above is pretty accurate.
The Bible was written by men.
Who's to say if and how Adam was punished?


If Adam and Eve isn't mythology, what is it?


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Here you go:

17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.

18
It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.

19
By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

(Genesis 3:17-19)


So God made Women subservient and Men farmers?


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So God made Women subservient and Men farmers?

Pretty much.


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If Adam and Eve isn't mythology, what is it?

A matter of faith. stick out tongue


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A matter of faith. stick out tongue


People can have faith is myths. Do you think the Greeks had no faith in their gods?


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Aside from the mythology part, the above is pretty accurate.
The Bible was written by men.
Who's to say if and how Adam was punished?



Mythology, my ass. Of course, it was written by men. The entire Bible was but God communicated to man (wether by talking, thru dreams, or some other means) what to write in it. The Bible is the word of God...and yes, He's quite real. Regardless of what know-it-all atheists think.


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People can have faith is myths. Do you think the Greeks had no faith in their gods?

Haha, YOU think their gods were myths. They didnt.


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Haha, YOU think their gods were myths. They didnt.


No they didn't. And they would have been pissed at me for calling their gods myths. Is your God a myth?


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Mythology, my ass. Of course, it was written by men. The entire Bible was but God communicated to man (wether by talking, thru dreams, or some other means) what to write in it. The Bible is the word of God...and yes, He's quite real. Regardless of what know-it-all atheists think.


The Koran makes the same claim. Why should I believe you and the bible over the Koran?


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Even though we've gone completely off topic, shaky, i have to first say, no, my god's not a myth (i'm Asatru), and i couldnt care less if you call him that or not, and second, i have to ask, why should anyone believe YOU?
Faith is faith.
I've never been a fan of religions that push themselves on others. Also never been a fan of people who claim a person's religion is false.
Live and let live, as long as no one's getting hurt.


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Because the people who constructed the religion and wrote the bible were men who wanted to control women. The story of Adam and Eve is just mythology, but how that mythology was interpreted makes all the difference.


Exactly right.

You might like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA

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Aside from the mythology part, the above is pretty accurate.
The Bible was written by men.
Who's to say if and how Adam was punished?


A literalist are you?

Do you believe in a talking serpent or a serpent that was controlled by Satan then.

Tell us why God put Satan right there beside Eve please?

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He wasn't exempt. Banishment from Eden and subsequently death were the most severe punishments that God handed out, and Adam suffered both of them as much as Eve did.


Is a life being ruled by another as good as a life where one rules over another?

I think it is better to rule than to be ruled and Eve was ruled and got the raw end of Adams sin.

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