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The death penalty

Are you for or against the death penalty?
If you're religious, does your religion's view on the death penalty match your own?


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I have mixed feelings on the issue now. I used to be 100% for it all the way. But, with all the executions that've been botched lately here in the U.S. I've began to question wether it should continue to be used or not. I do believe that some of the ones put to death though deserve to suffer just as much as their victims did. Like Clayton Lockett, for example. I think he should've been shot with a shotgun and then buried alive just like he did to that young girl he killed. It's really sick to bury people alive and that's one of the many reasons (their beheadings are another) our government needs to wipe ISIS off the face of the earth as soon as possible.


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Damn, you just opened a whole potential can of worms...laughing out loud


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I agree with it only in cases that have 100% certainty of guilt. Seeing as how people are still being released from death row means that innocent lives are being lost.

By 100% certainty I mean thing like mass shootings or bombings or things of a nature where there are multiple witnesses and maybe even video evidence to show the person doing the deed. Unfortunately fingerprints and DNA are easily planted this day and age


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I don’t believe in the death penalty. The reason is because I believe in reincarnation. If you kill a monster in this life, it will return in a future life. I say, put the person in jail for the rest of their life. Maybe they will change before they die.


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I don’t believe in the death penalty. The reason is because I believe in reincarnation. If you kill a monster in this life, it will return in a future life. I say, put the person in jail for the rest of their life. Maybe they will change before they die.


But the people don't remember their old life right? So isn't there an equal chance they are a decent person in the next life? Or do you believe their personality or "badness" survives?


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But the people don't remember their old life right? So isn't there an equal chance they are a decent person in the next life? Or do you believe their personality or "badness" survives?


Their Karma survives.


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But does having a ton of bad Karma make one a bad person?


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But does having a ton of bad Karma make one a bad person?


That is too simplistic. The things you do, think, feel and experience over time makes up your Karma. If you have spent your life being selfish and brutal to others, why would you change? And that's the key. People can change, but if they are executed before they have a change to change, then they would continue in the next life.


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Damn, you just opened a whole potential can of worms...laughing out loud



Why? Because of the ISIS comment?


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I'm all for it and I always will be. Not just because I'm a former prison correctional officer, too.


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Why? Because of the ISIS comment?

That and your other example yeah.
Surprised no one jumped on them.

I happen to agree with you BTW, probably am more hardline on the subject really.


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i think some people like the charles manson types who are obviously guilty and evil as **** should be taken out back and shot. no appeals or anything like that. but only if it's an open an shut case like say a saddam hussein type character. there's really no doubting they are guilty and should die. for ordinary run of the mill murders and shit, i say death row is too costly and counter productive. so either find some way to streamline that shit and make it cheaper or just lock them up for life and throw away the key. seems dumb to waste money on killing them with the current system just for the sake of vicarious revenge.


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Understandable reasoning.
I'm more of a you're guilty you're dead type of guy, so streamlining the process i heartily support.


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Re: The death penalty

It's an expensive and ineffective deterrent for crime with innumerable records of wrongful executions past on the basis of a legal representation which quality is heavily influenced by defendant's financial status. On top of that it prolongs the suffering of victim and the families involved.

Of course I support it!

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Good to see you're a glass half full kind of guy!


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I like to think of myself as the kind of guy that would patent the cure for cancer and then overprice the treatment and take legal action against everyone who uses it without the rights.

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Yeah you actually arent too hard to figure out.


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Understandable reasoning.
I'm more of a you're guilty you're dead type of guy, so streamlining the process i heartily support.
i wouldn't mind it if it could be done without error. i don't think we're at that point yet to do it reliably enough without making it super expensive but i can't honestly say i know that much about it so i could be wrong.

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You arent wrong per say, but, the endless appeals process is an issue.

This has really gotten away from religion as a topic. Just saying, thst wasnt my intent.


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