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Dragons in the Bible

The Bible mentions dragons a few times. Satan is compared to one in Revelations i think.
Most ancient people have myths and legends about dragons.
Is this some kind of dinosaur thing? Dinos werent known about during bible times that i'm aware of.
I never thought about it till i read something earlier today that mentioned it.
Just curious as to any thoughts or theories on the subject.

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The word dragon used to mean pretty much serpent back in the day, it really d�pends of which word appears on the original.

They probably meant Charizard.

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They probably meant Charizard.

No evolution in the bible bro

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Revelations is full of metaphors and symbolisms.

It's really hard to decipher the details of what's going on, but it's basically Jesus VS Satan in their final 1-on-1 match.

Jesus Christ is described with a face and body brighter than light, flaming eyes and a two-edged sword-like tongue.

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I've always thought of dragons as an archetype, the universal monster, as they've appeared in virtually every culture throughout history (including those predating the Bible). I see them as symbols of chaos, of primordial forces, with Eastern dragons representing mostly benevolent, creative tendencies (order from chaos), and Western dragons representing malevolence and destruction (this no doubt largely influenced by Christian mythology).

While we tend to view dragons largely as serpentine-ish, early renditions were more chimeric, suggesting the image has been tweaked and refined over time (eg, google Tiamat), again with Christian influences and associations with the Devil being dominant shapers.

I doubt any ancient findings of dinosaur bones had much influence. First off, they'd have to be recognized as bones belonging to long-extinct animals, and, back then, anything could be misinterpreted, according to the zeitgeist of a time and place (eg, it used to be thought elephant skulls were those of cyclopses cuz the large nasal cavity looked like a socket for a single, giant eye).

Dragons touch something deep in all of us, perhaps even giving form to the basic instincts and functions of our own "reptilian brain."

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No evolution in the bible bro

Jesus does transfigurate himself, they omit the fact he used a Mega Stone

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I've always thought of dragons as an archetype, the universal monster, as they've appeared in virtually every culture throughout history (including those predating the Bible). I see them as symbols of chaos, of primordial forces, with Eastern dragons representing mostly benevolent, creative tendencies (order from chaos), and Western dragons representing malevolence and destruction (this no doubt largely influenced by Christian mythology).

While we tend to view dragons largely as serpentine-ish, early renditions were more chimeric, suggesting the image has been tweaked and refined over time (eg, google Tiamat), again with Christian influences and associations with the Devil being dominant shapers.

I doubt any ancient findings of dinosaur bones had much influence. First off, they'd have to be recognized as bones belonging to long-extinct animals, and, back then, anything could be misinterpreted, according to the zeitgeist of a time and place (eg, it used to be thought elephant skulls were those of cyclopses cuz the large nasal cavity looked like a socket for a single, giant eye).

Dragons touch something deep in all of us, perhaps even giving form to the basic instincts and functions of our own "reptilian brain."

Good theory.

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Good theory.

Good research, really, from when I was doing a story involving dragons.

Btw, I forgot the thread where I'd already asked you this, so pardon my repetitiveness: who's that in your sig? Heroic yet realistic.

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Dragons are a good subject for fiction...so many ways to interpret the idea.

The sig? Well I'm a big bald black guy with glasses. Cage is an easy way to create a caricature... wink

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They probably meant Charizard.

Oh shit!

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The sig? Well I'm a big bald black guy with glasses. Cage is an easy way to create a caricature...

Nice.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Bentley
They probably meant Charizard.

Oh shit!

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Originally posted by riv6672
The sig? Well I'm a big bald black guy with glasses. Cage is an easy way to create a caricature...

Nice.

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I've always thought of dragons as an archetype, the universal monster, as they've appeared in virtually every culture throughout history (including those predating the Bible). I see them as symbols of chaos, of primordial forces, with Eastern dragons representing mostly benevolent, creative tendencies (order from chaos), and Western dragons representing malevolence and destruction (this no doubt largely influenced by Christian mythology).

While we tend to view dragons largely as serpentine-ish, early renditions were more chimeric, suggesting the image has been tweaked and refined over time (eg, google Tiamat), again with Christian influences and associations with the Devil being dominant shapers.

I doubt any ancient findings of dinosaur bones had much influence. First off, they'd have to be recognized as bones belonging to long-extinct animals, and, back then, anything could be misinterpreted, according to the zeitgeist of a time and place (eg, it used to be thought elephant skulls were those of cyclopses cuz the large nasal cavity looked like a socket for a single, giant eye).

Dragons touch something deep in all of us, perhaps even giving form to the basic instincts and functions of our own "reptilian brain."

This captures everything I would have said on the topic BUT you put it in much better words. smile

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Yeah, that was pretty good...

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The sig? Well I'm a big bald black guy with glasses. Cage is an easy way to create a caricature...

Gotcha. In that vein, I look most like the Silver Surfer, except I'm not silver and have genitals.

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This captures everything I would have said on the topic BUT you put it in much better words.

Thanks. I was having a lucid moment.

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Wait, Surfer has no nards?
[obscure movie reference]Even werewolf has nards![/obscure movie reference]

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Re: Dragons in the Bible

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Originally posted by riv6672
The Bible mentions dragons a few times. Satan is compared to one in Revelations i think.
Most ancient people have myths and legends about dragons.
Is this some kind of dinosaur thing? Dinos werent known about during bible times that i'm aware of.
I never thought about it till i read something earlier today that mentioned it.
Just curious as to any thoughts or theories on the subject.

There were no dinosaurs during the time of humans, but there were fantasized dinosaur bones in the ground. People of the past must have found these bone weathering out of the Earth. I think some very smart people put these bone together and imagined dragon, giants and other creatures. Those storied got passed down from generation to generation, and eventually found their way into the bible.

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I've thought the same.
Like elephant skulls interpreted as cyclopean, because of the nasal cavity in the center...

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I've thought the same.
Like elephant skulls interpreted as cyclopean, because of the nasal cavity in the center...

Yes. Just like that.

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