I don't want to believe what this guy is claiming but I have to admit that he makes many valid points.
__________________ Darwin's theory of evolution is the great white elephant of contemporary thought. It is large, completely useless, and the object of superstitious awe.-Dr. David Berlinski, Philosophy
Most people believe Evolution not because they themselves are dumb, but cause they trust the "experts" who are feeding them evolutionary fast food, and so they don't bother questioning whether or not it's true.
Edit: Too late to edit my OP but I just want to add that if you have nothing better to say than to badmouth God or religion then please, don't even bother replying. I'm not interested in arguing the existence or non-existence of God. My original question was meant for believers. Not atheists.
__________________ Darwin's theory of evolution is the great white elephant of contemporary thought. It is large, completely useless, and the object of superstitious awe.-Dr. David Berlinski, Philosophy
Most people believe Evolution not because they themselves are dumb, but cause they trust the "experts" who are feeding them evolutionary fast food, and so they don't bother questioning whether or not it's true.
LOL. Please stay on topic. Not interested in arguing who was responsible for Christ's death either. That's not the subject of thread.
__________________ Darwin's theory of evolution is the great white elephant of contemporary thought. It is large, completely useless, and the object of superstitious awe.-Dr. David Berlinski, Philosophy
Most people believe Evolution not because they themselves are dumb, but cause they trust the "experts" who are feeding them evolutionary fast food, and so they don't bother questioning whether or not it's true.
Yeah, I'm not sure whether to believe him or not either, riv. I don't want to believe him but he has a very strong argument and it makes me wonder.
As for Shak, I have him on ignore anyway so it doesn't really matter what he says. It sucks that people you have on ignore still have their posts shown when somebody else quotes them. But, I've finally learned to simply go slowly thru the posts and when I see that someone has quoted someone I have on ignore I just look over the quote. Whatever Shak said I'm sure it wasn't constructive.
Shak does not respect other people's beliefs if they don't conform to his. When someone made the "Question for atheists" thread you didn't see me invading the thread putting down all the atheists and telling them they're wrong for what they believe or don't believe because I have respect for other people's opinions and since OP asked for atheists opinions only I respected that. That is a difficult concept for Shak to understand. Which is why I have no interest in reading anymore of his posts.
__________________ Darwin's theory of evolution is the great white elephant of contemporary thought. It is large, completely useless, and the object of superstitious awe.-Dr. David Berlinski, Philosophy
Most people believe Evolution not because they themselves are dumb, but cause they trust the "experts" who are feeding them evolutionary fast food, and so they don't bother questioning whether or not it's true.
Last edited by Star428 on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 07:16 AM
Re: Biblical identity of the United States revealed?
I'm not one to dismiss all of a person's ideas wholesale because I find error with one. The author of your link claims that the entity referred to as "Mystery Babylon" in the Bible, as opposed to literal "Ancient Babylon" of the Middle East, is none other than the United States of America.
Sounds too Percy Jackson-ish.
As in, Olympus goes where the seat of power for the world happens to be. I may be misreading it though, i'll give it another go around.
Re: Re: Biblical identity of the United States revealed?
Yes, I know that's what he claims. I never said otherwise. I also didn't say that I necessarily agree with him. Did you listen to the entire video? You have to admit he has some very valid points. What was the error exactly? That his claim that the United States is the "mystery Babylon" referred to by the prophets? That is only an error to you because you disagree with it. Unfortunately, I can't say that he was wrong on any of the proof he presented.
__________________ Darwin's theory of evolution is the great white elephant of contemporary thought. It is large, completely useless, and the object of superstitious awe.-Dr. David Berlinski, Philosophy
Most people believe Evolution not because they themselves are dumb, but cause they trust the "experts" who are feeding them evolutionary fast food, and so they don't bother questioning whether or not it's true.
Last edited by Star428 on Apr 4th, 2015 at 10:35 AM
I listened to the video, but it was late when I watched it; I may have drifted off on some part ...
On the other hand, quite by accident, I managed to stumble across the transcript of the video. It has in written form what was presented.
I didn't have any disagreement with what I listed before now.
Indeed, there was nothing TO disagree with. He DOES equate America with Mystery Babylon. That's nearly half his reason for posting.
I was actually giving that as a partial summary and a prompt for response from you.
Because this is the kind of topic that must be presented somewhat slowly if you want to insure it is given serious consideration. People without some degree of immersion in these concepts, some familiarity with what is being talked about or shown, simply can't digest this very easily the first time around.
Yeah, of course you can read the transcript instead of watching the video if you don't have the time but the video is much more convincing.
__________________ Darwin's theory of evolution is the great white elephant of contemporary thought. It is large, completely useless, and the object of superstitious awe.-Dr. David Berlinski, Philosophy
Most people believe Evolution not because they themselves are dumb, but cause they trust the "experts" who are feeding them evolutionary fast food, and so they don't bother questioning whether or not it's true.
Besides just revealing the biblical identity of the U.S., the narrator of vid also talks about a tragic prophecy being fulfilled before Obama (the king of the South according to him) leaves office. His claim that our President is the king of the South described by the prophets is the only thing he claims that is really lacking in proof, imo.
Apparently, his basis for this claim is that that king is from a place that is south of Jerusalem and that according to who you believe, Obama is either from Kenya or Hawaii. Both of which are south of the biblical city. But, Hawaii is really much more east of the holy city than it is south. Another prophetic statement he uses to back up his claim is that the king of the south keeps pushing at the king of the north (Putin) and if you have been keeping up with word events then you know that this is very true.
I'm not completely sold yet on his claim that Obama is actually the southern king but I am convinced that Putin is, in fact, the king of the north. If this guy is right about his claim of Obama being the southern king then the prophecy that he talks about in his video will be fulfilled before January 2017 when Obama is supposed to leave office.
One thing that I do now is that bible prophecy (unlike other forms of prophecy, like Nostradamus, etc.) is 100% accurate and everything described by the biblical prophets is inevitable to happen sooner or later.
__________________ Darwin's theory of evolution is the great white elephant of contemporary thought. It is large, completely useless, and the object of superstitious awe.-Dr. David Berlinski, Philosophy
Most people believe Evolution not because they themselves are dumb, but cause they trust the "experts" who are feeding them evolutionary fast food, and so they don't bother questioning whether or not it's true.
Last edited by Star428 on Apr 7th, 2015 at 06:35 AM
I'm wary of anyone who tries to give exact dates, or even absolute deadlines, for Biblical predictions.
Nearly every person or group that I know of that has attempted it has failed.
I'm doubly wary of this man, who may be kind in intention, but has a book to sell viewers.
Then, too, it is somewhat wearying to see so many attacks leveled at our President. It is so pervasive I am ALMOST surprised I do not see an "abomination" equals "Obama-nation" pun every 6 days.
Yet another challenge is the fact that I've seen several other theories competing with this one. The 7th Day Adventists, who posit the Catholic Church is the one to watch out for tops the list, is closely followed by another which warns Islam will top the pyramid.
If you really want to keep this thread grounded, it's probably a good idea to intersperse responses with references from the book the theorists claims to be basing his theory on. The following is probably a good , if long passage for readers to keep in mind:
Matthew 24 King James Version (KJV)
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24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh ...
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I'm usually wary of it also but like I said it's hard to refute any of his claims when he has shown exact bible verses for everyone of his points and they all seem to confirm what he is claiming.
Yes, he's selling a "book" but it's more like a survival package for people to get by after this prophecy has been fulfilled. It's quite cheap. I've purchased it and downloaded the material myself. I don't see why just because he's selling a product that that makes what he claims not true when he has given a ton of proof for his claims. Of course he has to make money to be able to put that information out there for people. You think he can just do it for free? I saw nothing that made me believe he is rich.
As for other groups contradicting what he says, please show their so-called "proof". I find it hard to believe that they have any proof that will prove this guy wrong.
The guy wasn't bashing Obama either. Don't see how you arrive at that conclusion. He was simply stating facts.
__________________ Darwin's theory of evolution is the great white elephant of contemporary thought. It is large, completely useless, and the object of superstitious awe.-Dr. David Berlinski, Philosophy
Most people believe Evolution not because they themselves are dumb, but cause they trust the "experts" who are feeding them evolutionary fast food, and so they don't bother questioning whether or not it's true.
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